They came from an HH Gregg. Retailed for 200 bucks or so, and I got them for a whopping 50. That's the only reason they were back there. There is a full thread on how I hated dual but those actually surprised me. I used to sell car audio, and I used to be pretty heavy into it...The Kicker sub I had before the duals was not a "good system", and the duals weren't either.