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HID -> stock halogen reflector housing?

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CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:28 am

I have a 2001 Nissan Pathfinder, and I would love to add a set of HID lights. My only question is to the 'scatter pattern' as i would call it. Would the kits offered here have a sharp 'cutoff line' or would they just scatter light every which direction?
I am having a hard time finding a projector type housing for my car and would prefer not to blind the oncoming traffic!
Let me know!
Thanks in advance
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:34 am

I think the cut-off line depends moreso on what kind of housing you have, rather than the HID kit you have. someone might want to correct me.
CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:53 am

Sounds correct to me.
I cant find any pictures of 'cutoff lines' from stock reflectors though.
here are my headlights:
Aken

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:57 am

Cut off lines are the result of a decent projector housing. Reflector housings specifically designed for HIDs have a slight cutoff, but still nothing like a projector. Standard reflector housings not originally designed for HIDs will not have a good cutoff line.
CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:14 pm

How can I go about changing my housing?

this is the housing of an '01 QX4. Think it could work?
high res: Pathfinder:
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Aken

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:24 pm

You'd have to retrofit a projector into your housing if you wanted them. Otherwise you could just buy HIDs for your stock housing, and make sure your headlights are properly aimed. With newer cars there isn't usually too much extra glare.
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:27 pm

well it looks like the qx4's headlamps have a projector in em.

the housings are SO close, but i dont think they will be a direct swap, the line in the hood sheetmetal differs a bit.
CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:55 pm

Yeah, I see what you are talking about justin. Where can I go to find a set of retrofit projectors?

Thanks again guys
CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:59 pm

I found these so far:
http://www.hidretro.com/page48.htm

they are going to be a bit too pricey i fear
CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:17 pm

also, here is a DIY page I found for retrofitting HID projectors:
http://www.theretrofitsource.com/DIY.html
CoppellStereo

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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:58 pm

How can I figure out which projectors will fit in my housing?
Just measure length in total?
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:59 pm

It's a retrofit dude, not a plug-and-play scenario. The goal is to make it fit icon_twisted.gif
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:06 pm

yeah, gotcha, but if it is too big, there arent too many options. It is hard to buy something online like that without holding it in your hands.
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:22 pm

by just looking at your housings from the pictures you posted I am going to say that just about any projector will fit. Some may take a bit more work than others but I would bet any of them could fit.

What projector you choose will depend on how much you want to spend.
best bang for your buck you should consider E46 bi-xenon projectors.

Obviously like most things in life, you get waht you pay for. If you spend more you will get more.

lay down a budget for yourself and go from there.
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:00 pm

Thanks for the advice.
do all bi-xenon projectors work with a motor/solenoid to adjust the bulbs positioning?
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:04 pm

CoppellStereo wrote:
Thanks for the advice.
do all bi-xenon projectors work with a motor/solenoid to adjust the bulbs positioning?


all projector bulbs stay stationary. They use a solenoid to move the cut off shield.

Other bi-xenon projectors you could consider... E55 bi , TL, porsche bi , FX35/45 , RS6 bi, ZKW bi
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:55 pm

has anyone here attempted an HID projector retrofit?
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:24 pm

i'm in the process.

Many people out there have done it...not on this forum though.

check out HIDplanet.com
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:44 pm

Ive read through a bunch of their forum's threads. How are you going to seal up the cutout after your mount the projector?
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:04 pm

there are a few ways people do it.

1 would be to glue/JB weld a piece of PVC pipe to the back of the HL. and then putting a plumbing quick cap on it. which would provide a deep water tight seal.

2 some people use OEM rubber boots, or ABS boots. or CV boots.


mine will be completely different, of which I am not willing go public with yet. But it wouldn't apply to yours.
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:10 pm

how could you cap it off with the wires still through there?
maybe i could use my stock boots somehow
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:19 pm

CoppellStereo wrote:
how could you cap it off with the wires still through there?
maybe i could use my stock boots somehow


you may be able to use your stock boots.

some people manage to contain all the ballast wires inside.

others make a small notch in the PVC pipe and use silicone or similar to seal that little notch/hole.
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:56 pm

Maybe I should try the HID's in my stock housing and see how it goes. Then if they are funky I could put them in projectors?
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:18 pm

its not going to be pretty.

I think you should either do projectors or live with halogen and buy a decent set of projector fog lights
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:21 pm

It's not as bad as corvettecrazy likes to claim. Yes there will be glare. No, you will likely not be blinding oncoming traffic.

Honestly dude, you're killing sales on the forums by talking like that. We know projectors are the better way to go. But HIDs in standard halogen housings are not that bad.
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:35 pm

Aken wrote:
It's not as bad as corvettecrazy likes to claim. Yes there will be glare. No, you will likely not be blinding oncoming traffic.

Honestly dude, you're killing sales on the forums by talking like that. We know projectors are the better way to go. But HIDs in standard halogen housings are not that bad.


well in addition to not being designed for his housing its and SUV. which doesn't help the matter.

so ban me. I dont bad mouth oz. I actually reccomend it to people for almost everything you sell. But I have no problem starting if the truth hurts your sales that bad.
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:53 pm

I'm not going to ban you because that would be retarded. And I'm not saying you badmouth Oznium. I'm asking you to tone down your rhetoric when it comes to HIDs. You know a lot and have good advice to offer. But stick with ONLY good advice. There's absolutely nothing wrong with him trying the HIDs in his stock housings first - it's way cheaper and easier than projectors.
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Post Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:27 am

Check out the two pathfinder boards, 4x4parts.com and npora.ipbhost.com, and do a search. There one guy who did a projector retrofit into the same 99.5-04 pathfinder housing, but he crashed it maybe a year or two ago and may not be active on the forums anymore (he also has a cardomain page if you can find it).

Otherwise, I'm not aware of any other 99.5-04 pathys with plug-n-play HID kits, and the glare of HIDs in stock housings. There one guy with HIDs in his QX4 housing who had a recent thread on npora, and I've got a HID kit waiting for my 98 (stupid school!), but again different housings all together. A swap to the QX4 housings are possible, but its a lot of work cuz you'd need to replace at minimum the hood, grill, and mounts behind there.
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Post Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:43 pm

Thanks for those links, I will look.

I'm just looking for a reliable way to do the retro now. Seems to be the way to go!
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Post Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:30 pm

The cardomain page of the guy who did the projector retrofit:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/420667


His ID on 4x4parts.com forum is "mrq". If you're lookin for help with the retrofit, HIDplanet.com, as mentioned before, is the best place for help.
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Post Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:29 pm

Well to reduce glare and to add a bit of cut-off, you can bake your headlights to get the lenses off and fasten a curved piece of metal behind the bulb shield to cut off the light from the upper portion of the headlight housing. The will reduce glare dramaticly. Just throwin an idea out there for ya.
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Post Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:20 am

It'll also cut off half the light the housing produces. A retrofit would be a much smarter idea.
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Post Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:33 am

yes it would, but if he is looking for a cheap way to go...
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Post Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:15 am

Cutting off half the light eliminates the purpose of HIDs. That'd be a waste of a LOT of money, definitely not a cheap fix.
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Post Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:11 am

What about the shield on projectors? Those block out half the light as well.
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Post Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:02 pm

Yes but they're designed to do that. The shield on the projector blocks out half the light that could possibly be output, but the rest is designed for maximum light projection. Putting a shield on a reflector wouldn't do the same thing, it would take away half of the already visible light, and totally screw up the mechanics of how a reflector housing is supposed to work.
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Post Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:29 pm

I am starting a retrofit now. Just to keep you posted.
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Post Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:46 pm

CoppellStereo wrote:
I am starting a retrofit now. Just to keep you posted.


Tell me how that goes. It sounds like ur in the same situation that I'm in. I have a 2003 Xterra, but since there isn't a large demand for projector lamps they aren't produced cussing.gif.

I'm reluctant to retrofit myself cuz I wouldn't even know how to begin, let alone get my headlamps off icon_lol.gif
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