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02cougarman

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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:31 pm

hey i was wondering if these are projectors... dont know much about headlights and what not but heres a pic. its the low beams that i believe are
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Mrkai

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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:37 pm

low beams are icon_biggrin.gif
02cougarman

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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:38 pm

so i could just buy a hid bulb kit and not have to do a retro fit correct?
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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:08 pm

yep
02cougarman

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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:19 pm

is there a kit that anyone recomends?
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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:22 pm

HIDs aren't supposed to go in projectors that are designed for halogen bulbs.
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Post Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:40 pm

Tim wrote:
HIDs aren't supposed to go in projectors that are designed for halogen bulbs.


Still better than reflectors though.
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:32 am

so would it work without blinding people?

and if so what kits do you recomend
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:36 am

mobilehid.com has great reviews
Black DX

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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:27 am

I had a pnp kit in my buddies Mazda 3 that had halogen projectors and it looks just like the OE hid kit but with a flatter shield (the OE hid set up has a larger step to the cut off shield)...
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:34 am

The primary difference between true HID projectors and halogen projectors is the sharpness of the cutoff and the intensity of the beam. So far, I've only use halogen projectors with great success.

For instance-
Hella 90mm projectors modified for D2S Xenon bulbs:


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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:36 am

Black DX wrote:
I had a pnp kit in my buddies Mazda 3 that had halogen projectors and it looks just like the OE hid kit but with a flatter shield (the OE hid set up has a larger step to the cut off shield)...


I have had the same results putting HID's into a halogen projector.

The main thing is to have a cutoff line with no glare and I have used about three different sets of halogen projectors with HID's like this throughout the years.


I'd say with those projectors, your worst case scenario is you have to adjust your headlights down a little bit (if your cutoff sits a little too high, in driver's eyes). If you're comfortable with doing that I'd say go ahead and pull the trigger and order some.
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:17 pm

im just going to go for it icon_cool.gif
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:07 pm

lmk what prices you find and what bulbs... i got a couple here
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:30 pm

thesull wrote:
lmk what prices you find and what bulbs... i got a couple here



what kind?
02cougarman

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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:17 pm

i need 9006.

EDIT: http://www.xenoneyes.com/products.html
$129 doller kits. wonder if they are quality or not.
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:22 pm

02cougarman wrote:
i need 9006.

EDIT: http://www.xenoneyes.com/products.html
$129 doller kits. wonder if they are quality or not.


if you want 35 watt check here:
http://stores.ebay.com/HID-Outdoor-Equipments


if you feel the need for 55w power look here:
http://stores.ebay.com/Retro-Solutions-LLC_55-w...rZ1QQfsubZ19030374QQftidZ2QQtZkm

both are good kits.
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Post Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:27 pm

The differences mainly are the cut off shield (the step can be large for halogens...), the shape of the bowl controlling forground light and width (halogens are generally narrower) and the ghost/squirrel spotters on the halogens (they've got openings to help light up road signs and such which when close up to a wall will look like two ufo's or eyes above the cut off..)...


I got a kit from OMG_SO_COOL_CAR, while the name is extremely lame (was leary of ordering from them) thier customer service was great (they emailed me to verify the H3C bulbs I ordered were actually the H3C HID's and not just the typical HID H3 PNP bulb), thier ballast are better than most any kit I've gotten (they will power up off just 3 amps, my Hella Gen 3 ballast won't) and the price/packaging was damned good...

Just remember that even tho it doesn't matter the price or the seller you can get screwed... I'd ordered a kit from a vendor I'd used atleast 4 times before and everytime it was great equipment but the final kit I ordered sucked so bad (wouldn't fire/would be extremely dim/would fail to stay lit) that I opened it up to see what's under the hood:
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The left ballast is the kit from the seller I'd used before and this one SUCKED, the middle ballast is from OMG_SO_COOL_CAR and it works better than my Hella gen 3's and the right is my Hella Gen 3 ballast which is OE equipment for BMW's....
02cougarman

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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:14 am

thanks guys.

radio flyer- have you ordered thoes ebay kits before?
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:48 am

02cougarman wrote:
thanks guys.

radio flyer- have you ordered thoes ebay kits before?


yes. I've spoken to both the owners personally. The 35w kit is simply the best price out there. They're based in california and have an outstanding warrenty program.

the 55w kit from retro-solutions is what I'm using now. They have all sorts of other stuff too including custom CCFL sized Halo rings encased in acrylic tubes.
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:17 pm

I have two of these I call 'red box kits' off eBay and a friend has a set too. Been running with absolutely no problems for 8+ months with a LOT of night driving.
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:00 pm

Cut off from HID projector E55 Mercedes projector-
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^^This was just to show the cutoff.

Also the undesired effect can happen when the opposite is applied.

Halogen bulb in that same projector
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The cut-off is what lacks. Could get yourself some HID's then save and upgrade to a TSX or E55 projector setup.

Mine before the final adjustments. 6000k D2S in a TSX projector
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:08 pm

You can also use spacers to adjust the position of the capsule's arc in the projector to achieve the proper focal point. I did this with my current projectors and got a nice clean cutoff.
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:31 pm

Or change the cut off color pattern
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:37 pm

robbie!!! just the person i wanted to butt in icon_biggrin.gif (no joke)

how would i go about changing the cut off color pattern?
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Post Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:57 pm

You basically have to use washers is what alot of people do. To move the sheild further i believe. I have never done the mod as i like mine just fine but i think lengthening the shield distance will help to achieve the cut off color mod with most good projectors.

It's easy and if you google that phrase then it will pop up like the first thing. It's pretty popular.

It's cool to do just don't over do the mod or you lose any sort of cut off you will have which is no fun at all.
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Post Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:47 am

thanks robbie ill check that out
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Post Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:37 pm

Ok sounds good, like i said it's easy to do but dont over do it.
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