hey i need help

hey was ppl im goin to get some 2 10'' type R alpine not gettin 12's becuase they dont hit that hard and to big to fit in my porsche all powerd by a 801S or a 851S rockford fosgate amp and will the ppl rite next to me on the trafic lite b able to feel the bass in there car

i need help pplzz reply

your options are limited... bass will have to be in the front... weird soundstaging, and a ***** for rattles.

try something like this:
http://soundoff.phoenixgold.com/viewtopic.php?t=2137

and type R 12" don't hit hard.... and you want 10's thou? are you hittin the pipe or somthing? especially on here, it's the wrong thing to say...

ADDICTED2ICELED wrote:

and type R 12" don't hit hard.... and you want 10's thou? are you hittin the pipe or somthing? especially on here, it's the wrong thing to say...

LoL A2I....We will have to sit Porsche boy in my Cherokee or Joe's Escape to see if they don't hit.

ok sorry man i forgot to say that i have a 944 which has a big a'ss hatch to it so i think i can fit 2 10'' type r's in ther with out a lot of rattles

the hatch sitts low so i cant get a box to high and the 12'' sit up high

bah.. I hate people like you.. people who want subs merely for the purpose of **** off neighbors and other cars next to you at stop lights when they hear nothing but "boom rattle boom rattle boom rattle"... Go SQ, or go shoot yourself... =P

Yeh but people who have loud systems are cooler than people who don't. right?

I doubt 400 watts to 2 10"s will shake the car next to you for something like that you would want to talk to brandon about what he has. DD
Shaking cars next to you shouldnt be your intenetion of getting a system anyways that why towns have sound ordinices. Get a system because it is what you want not because you want people attention.

i got my system for both
then it got ruined
now im getting a new one
im confused now, i dont know how to feel

pontiac4evr_14 wrote:

I doubt 400 watts to 2 10"s will shake the car next to you for something like that you would want to talk to brandon about what he has. DD Shaking cars next to you shouldnt be your intenetion of getting a system anyways that why towns have sound ordinices. Get a system because it is what you want not because you want people attention.

at last year dbdrag... 1 10" hit 160db mark.

Mav wrote:

bah.. I hate people like you.. people who want subs merely for the purpose of **** off neighbors and other cars next to you at stop lights when they hear nothing but "boom rattle boom rattle boom rattle"... Go SQ, or go shoot yourself... =P

Wah!

Mav wrote:

bah.. I hate people like you.. people who want subs merely for the purpose of **** off neighbors and other cars next to you at stop lights when they hear nothing but "boom rattle boom rattle boom rattle"... Go SQ, or go shoot yourself... =P

or go both. I got TICompElites 6 1/2 components. They're 300WRMS. it'll take a hell of allot of Bass to drown them out. no rattles. my trunk has 4 cans of expanding foam + 40SQFT of STFU from Second Skin.

and the only reason the cars next to me will hear "boom rattle boom rattle boom rattle" is because It'll be their car rattling.

Phil wrote:

Yeh but people who have loud systems are cooler than people who don't. right?

right!

Brandon wrote:

Phil wrote: Yeh but people who have loud systems are cooler than people who don't. right? right!

There's a difference between a system that goes loud and a system that is obnoxious.. a system that's all bass intended to vibrate cars next to you is obnoxious and uncool. A system you can crank up to loud volumes and still have it all be crystal clear is cool =)

Mav wrote:

There's a difference between a system that goes loud and a system that is obnoxious.. a system that's all bass intended to vibrate cars next to you is obnoxious and uncool. Cool reaction when you vibrate a school bus A system you can crank up to loud volumes and still have it all be crystal clear is cool =) You can have both

ok now see this man the car's already has a s'hit load of 2 6x9 and 2 tweeter and is cystal clear so the lonely thing i need is bass now and the amp is 400RMSx 2 so that mean's one channel get s 400RMS and the Type R's can handle like RMS 300 but can handel alot more so i think i should be able to rattle **** in other ppl car and all this S;hit is goin into a porsche 944 hatch back so i think i should sound pretty damn nice

just tell me what u guys think

will i be able to rattle **** on the stop sign or on the red lite


10'' 2 alpine's Type R's and a 801S 2400 watts x 1 2ohm maxx
800RMS x 1 4ohm
400RMS x 2 2ohm

well if you want to rattle peoples **** in there cars or on stop lights and ****...you better get something alot better than 2 10's and a 400watt amp

it takes atleast a 600watt amp to power Type R's so they hit hard.

yeah you can do better, hell if u want raw powr go rockford fosgate 10 inch power series they are 1000 watts rms, if u had two of those you would be good, or get a few 8's power series. if he wants to be an obnoxius bass shaker let him, he'll get in trouble eventuall. there is alot of power out there, alpines arent meant to be taken advatage of. the people that use them or will be using them (COUGH)(me) want them for crystal clarity and pleasurable sound. The subs can b pushed pretty far, but once again they arent competition speakers, comps are made to create spl. alpines are known for sq, and the underated power that lies within. Hearing and feeling are two dff things, and just so u know if they are feeling your bass your prob going def at that point. but u hearing loss is your problem. audiobahn also has high powered subs.

you actually believe what you just typed SubXero?

He's got me sold! I'm buying an Alpine right now! *grin* =P

SuBXeRo wrote:

yeah you can do better, hell if u want raw powr go rockford fosgate RF Sucks, trust me I have some 10 inch power series they are 1000 watts rms, if u had two of those you would be good, or get a few 8's power series. if he wants to be an obnoxius bass shaker let him, he'll get in trouble eventuall. there is alot of power out there, alpines arent meant to be taken advatage of. the people that use them or will be using them (COUGH)(me) want them for crystal clarity and pleasurable sound.Joe uses them for SPL The subs can b pushed pretty far, but once again they arent competition speakers, comps are made to create spl. alpines are known for sq, and the underated power that lies within. Hearing and feeling are two dff things, and just so u know if they are feeling your bass your prob going def at that point. but u hearing loss is your problem. audiobahn also has high powered subs.

This is some funny ****!

wow imm let me retype that, def not what i wanted, it was too early for me i was in school doing that first period LOL.

he wants to create spl let him, he'll go def in the process but thats not our stupidity. if he wants to be obnoxious he'll pay.

like i said rf tens power series create alot of boom, its ok a lil sloppy, but youll be heard, felt, well now that i think about it your gonna need alot more power than that for a car next to you to feel it, it needs to go through 2 cars. If you want r types fine but its not for what u want to do

but for the most part yeah, of all subs ive heard alpines are the most crystal clear, in my opinion alot of ppl say jl's, but i beg to differ.

then you need to listen to a lot more subs man! God I'm gonna lose it VERY soon.

Alpine is decent stuff. HU's are fine, I've used them, gonna buy another one soon. Amps are I've had better..... Subs are
Sure they can be loud (good job Joe, I wanna hear your setup in person still). I'm sure they can sound clear (all it takes is the right isntall). But they are not the best! They are not this amazing sub that can be had for almost no money. In their class of price range they may be among the better ends and and if you are stuck on buying a name brand in that price range you probably won't find anything better (but you can find comparable I'm sure). BUT if you are going online, looking for a great sub in that same price it's very easy to find comparable or better.

I understand you guys are happy w/ your Type R's and that's cool if you like to tell others to get them as well but I'm getting tired of seeing everyone say "if you want clear go Type R" ... then 3 threads later it's "if you want loud and cheap go Type R"

Rockford doesn't necessarily "suck" just depends on what line you get. I had two 12" Punch HX2s, and they kicked with my JBL 1200.1.

well of all the subs i have heard i have heard alot, and to me they are the clearest, if there is clearer i want to hear it. Rockford fosgate make subs that last i know b/c the ones i have are 12 years old and sill pumping so they last. They are decently clear and the amps are really good especially for their prices. JL being the best for amps in my opinion. over priced but they outform alot of other amps. When ppl ask what should i get i tell em alpine, thats going on that they want hit and stop bass no sloppyness, especially if its sumone who is just starting out witht he whole audio deal. you come into this not knowing anything, and well it gives them something to start off with. way i look at is is get the best at first you save money and your happy in the long run. the fact that you can get alot off alpine stuff cheaper thenw hat they sell for thats another good thing that also with rf. Im sorry if im annoying about it.

http://www.msxaudio.com/welcome.html
If any of you have any MSX dealers around your area I would definately check them out. I have the 12" MSX Proformance subs and they are great. Compared to all of my friends subs, they sound the best in SQ and can also be nice and loud. Plus, you get to be really cool because barely anyone has MSX.(I have yet to see another car with MSX subs) And they are made in my home state of Florida.

Im very happy with my Diamond M6. My friend with a DD loves the SQ of it. It would sound alot better if I had a good head unit like the alpine9835 im going to get this summer. The sony puts out the most **** distorted signals ive ever heard. I almost think they want it distorted at high levels of sound. If i had that the set up i wanted (Diamond D7 digital amp or a JL amp with a alpine 9835 HU) the sub would be much clearer. Right now i have a coustic 800 watt amp on it. Decent SQ but leaves some to be desired.

Alpine Type R's are very good subs in my opinion for SQ. Not for SPL. The problem is that the average joe blow things lots of bass is better. They want more bass then everyone else. What they don't realize is if they turned the bass all of the way up, and cranked the amp, they wouldn't be able to hear anything because their ear drums would be shoved into their brain from the intense bass =P

Alpine will hit crystal clear. No questions asked. Is it the best available out of all subs ever made? While I haven't heard any that compare to it SQ wise, I also haven't heard some of the subs that sell for $1k+ each... so I'm sure there are some nice high end subs out there that are as clear or clearer.

What I hate is people's obsession with the JL W series. Because they put off a **** load of bass doesn't mean they are good. The W6 etc.. puts out a lot of bass and is fine for SPL, but I'd take an Alpine Type R over a W6 any day for SQ. And the JL seriest costs 3 times as much as the Alpine Type R's... Hell, I never even crank my sub all of the way up. I don't need to. And my sub box is under sized due to the space issue and trying to conserve space, so if I put it in a proper sized box it'd hit even harder.

In the end, all that matters is that you don't need 5 times as much bass as all of your high's combined. I had my system cranked earlier today with my lights on, and one of my coworkers could hear my system loud and crystal clear from like 100 feet away. You could make out every bit of the song, it sounded clear like you were in the room that the stereo was setup, listening to it. You didn't just here "Boom Boom Boom" off in the distance. You head the wh ole song with clarity. If I had 2 or 3 JL W6's like everyone insists on getting these days, you wouldn't have heard the words because the bass would be making it too hard to distinguish them.

When I listen to music, I want to listen to music in equality. When you go to a concert, do you want to be able to hear the band singing, and the guitars playing, and the keys jammin etc... or do you want to just hear the bass guitarist and the bass drum?

But that's just my opinion...

people can only define sound quality based on their taste. there is no better. go and listen for yourself what you think sounds best. Phoenix Gold is much better than alpine IMO. but sq isn't much of an issue for a sub anyway, because unless you drop like $500 on sound deadning and sealing your car, it's gonna sound semi crappy anyway.

Mav, you keep going on this anti bass - kick, but i think you're just jealous you don't have more

no but really, you can't say that more bass sounds worse, because it's just your opinion. that's why they make eq's so you can tune a system to your liking... otherwise everything will be preset with a certain eq curve and everyone will be happy with it. i think you should just drop it... you're not gonna convice people they have too much bass.

agree with that

i agree with mav in th jl's, plus the fact tht i cant here my music right now anyways cause bose doesnt have good highs but thats with any subs in my car, hence why i need new speakers

This is pretty much a endless debate, there is no one sub better than another. Everyone will always have there own opinions and very different tastes. The best way to find the sub right for you is to go lisen to every sub you can find. Except for the usual crap (sony, pyramid, legacy, ect.)

it's more about the install believe it or not. Within 500% price difference, i can take any speaker and make it sound better than any other speaker you guys throw in a box. positioning, acoustical suspension, tuning, box material/size, both dimentions (the length, with, height all make a difference, just just cubic ft...) amp, amp tuning, crossover/eq, music.

there's soo many factors other than subwoofer. the more you isolate and x-over, the clearer the sound will be. a speaker doing from 10-120 hz cannot touch the sq of one doing 10-50, then another specifically tuned to do 50-120... no matter how big it is or how loud it can get or whatever. SuperCD isolation can't be beat and with that the cd has a different track for high/mid/low/sub. the Supercd HU's read them all separate and output separate signal for each. then each high/mid/low/sub get's it's own amp.

A2I, The Equilizer isn't just so you can eq according to your liking. It's so you can EQ based on the fact that each speaker and such has a different sound to it based on what kind of box it's in, positioning, amp used to drive them, sound processing equipment and so on and so forth. That's why most sound equalizers for concerts and stuff are usually adjusted using a computer. Once it's adjusted just right, then it's usually covered so nobody can mess with the settings. Rarely is it adjusted so that it "sounds good" by ear. Granted with cars, people play with the EQ all of the time, but that's just because they don't know what they are doing and they thing they need to adjust the EQ for every song they listen to. If they have the EQ and everything set just right, they could stick a rap CD in there, and have the hard hits on bass they want, and then they could use that same system to play country, and not have the bass overwhelming. Or they could stick classical in there and it would sound great.

So in the end, equalizers are mainly there to offset or compensate for the differences in sound processing hardware.

And if I wanted more bass, I would have gotten more bass and I wouldn't have made my sub box so small =P

random test.


check 400 cars of people who have any type of system...

check their eq.

380 of them will have the bass turned up. 300 of them will just turn up bass and trebel. In my house i have separate drivers for 5-40hz; 40-80hz; 80-120hz, 120-300hz; 300hz-1khz; 1khz - 5khz; and 5khz - 20khz. i have absolute flat setting on my Digital audio box (yes, i have a pc just for audio eq) with digital eq to compensate separately for the cd player, dvd player; LD player, Record Player, and SuperCD Player. (frequency balance is different on these) the you think eq is to make "flat responce", as what you're describing, everyone else thinks it's to tweak to their liking. sorry man, but majority wins here. weather what you do is the way you prefer or whatever, sound is only right based on what people think is right.

no, just because the majority of people thinks one way is better, doesn't make it right. You should know that better than anyone else here. I'm sure you've seen plenty of **** poor setups that customers wanted, not able to comprehend the point of different components and methods of settings things up.

Just because everyone thinks 3 subs are better doesn't make them better. You know that for a fact. If you ask them to define "better" they will say something along the lines of "It looks cool and puts off a lot of bass". Looks cool has nothing to do with SQ. It has nothing to do with music. You can take a piece of **** system and make it "look cool". It doesn't make it sound any better. People have grown to believe that they have to have bass turned all the way up for it to "sound good" because "well my friend has his turned up". This philosophy of follow the leader has continued to an epidemic level of stupidity. Just because everyone else does it doesn't make it right or good.

I haven't heard a single person say anything bad about my system. I've gotten nothing but compliments from everyone who listens to all different types of music. People who listen to nothing but R&B "**** that *****" type music (not being racial.. you know what I mean.. songs that seem to use the words ***** and **** together, frequently, mix a girlfriend that some other dude ****, and a gun, and you got a song), and they love my system. They can't believe how good it sounds with just 1 sub. Why? Because EVERYONE and their mother has 2 or 3 - 12 inch subs with the bass turned up so loud you're lucky if you can understand what the lyrics are.

So if you blindfold a person, stick them in a car with 3 subs cranked, playing music, then take them out and stick them in another car playing the same song with one sub, really nicely EQ'd, they are going to say the one with 1 sub sounds better. If you don't blindfold them and they see the 3 subs, they will say the 3 sub one is better before they even listen to it. This is the way today's society works. A buncha *******, illogical people. (can you tell I'm venting a lil? =P)

When I listen to music, I want it to sound like I'm right there listening to the band play.. not right there listening to the band play acoustically with everything unplugged except the bass guitar which is plugged into some 8 stack of 12 inch subs, and turned all of the way up, and the drums that are mic'd and running through a PA system.

Everybody has different tastes...some people like more bass than others.

I enjoy my bass. My loud ass, **** old people off, make kids excited, rattle the hell out of my car, knock tools off my car, **** your hearing up, hear me coming from a mile away, make your vision blurred, shake your windows kind of bass. But my friends say they can hear my songs clearly too. That blindfolded person will be able to sing along but it will knock that blindfold right off.

Anti Bass People

go suck on your retarded llama or whatever the fluck it is =P lol