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Mad_Eyes
Joined: Jul 25 2006 Posts: 554 Location: Yay Area 2003 Nissan Xterra Last updated: 08/20/08 |
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Got my system installed. The details are located in my siggy. It doesn't sound as good as I thought it would
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PwrRngr
Joined: Jul 19 2007 Posts: 2281 2003 Ford Mustang Last updated: 11/15/08 |
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Get a set of 4-6 microphones and set them at head level in the drivers seat. Burn a CD of white noise. Play it over each indiviual speaker to get the response curves. Based on speaker response choose some rough crossover points for the speakers. Combining all this information will give you a ROUGH idea of what it'll sound like.
I like to do time delay before leveling everything. Starting with the speaker closest to the driver, send an impulse to it. Note the time that the microphones receives the impulse (this will be your zero point). Send an impulse through another speaker and note the time it's received by the microphones. Subrtract that time from the original time to get the delay needed. Continue to do this until all speaker are done. Once you get the crossovers points all ready then hook all the speakers up and take a reading of the white noise. This will not be flat, you'll need some more filters. You'll then have to play with filters and some experience to get it just right. It's really an art form to tune it and you just have to look at the overall response, individual speaker response, and know what to change. It different for every vehicle. So you know, you'll get a 12dB/oct boost in base below ~150Hz. You'll also get a peak due to driver to passenger window reflection around 250Hz. Those should be two things you'll notice right away. You could start messing with the phases but in a car, you're not gaining a tone. Get it all flat and delayed right and you've done about everything. All the extra work on phases and the such will only give you maybe 5% more gains but take 10x as long. The way I did it was to set the delay and then sit in my truck. I played some white noise and I'm able to tell what the response is. I'm then able to adjust all the levels to within 2 dB of flat. It takes a VERY well trained ear to do that and I doubt yours is that well tuned. |
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kornholio788
Joined: May 02 2005 Posts: 9126 Location: Racine, WI 2000 Dodge Neon Last updated: 04/20/08 |
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Holy cow. Nice write up. Great info! Very in depth.
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A-Ray
Joined: May 01 2005 Posts: 2371 Location: Volunteer State 2003 Pontiac Sunfire Last updated: 11/11/08 1965 Ford Galaxie Last updated: 05/01/05 |
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While yes it is a good write up, IMO you could expunge on the first part using the microphones and all.
Very interesting write up that I may try myself. Been playing with my setup a lot since I had the battery disconnected over the weekend and I will have to disconnect it again to do the big 3. |
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Mad_Eyes
Joined: Jul 25 2006 Posts: 554 Location: Yay Area 2003 Nissan Xterra Last updated: 08/20/08 |
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Lol I dunno if I need it that perfect, but I just feel like my system was hitting harder before I upgraded all my stuff
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PwrRngr
Joined: Jul 19 2007 Posts: 2281 2003 Ford Mustang Last updated: 11/15/08 |
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Build a proper box for the 6x9s. You should notice a dramatic change. |
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corvettecrazy
Joined: Dec 17 2003 Posts: 3103 Location: moved (twice) 1996 Pontiac Bonneville Last updated: 06/11/07 2000 Chevrolet Corvette Last updated: 08/31/04 |
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Are your subs and 6x9's out of phase? That would cause some **** sounding music.
And PwrRnger, than assumes he has a headunit that has the ability to do time delay. |
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Mad_Eyes
Joined: Jul 25 2006 Posts: 554 Location: Yay Area 2003 Nissan Xterra Last updated: 08/20/08 |
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How do I know if they're out of phase/What is out of phase? |
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PwrRngr
Joined: Jul 19 2007 Posts: 2281 2003 Ford Mustang Last updated: 11/15/08 |
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Switch the positive and negative on the speaker. That will move the phase 180 degrees. |
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corvettecrazy
Joined: Dec 17 2003 Posts: 3103 Location: moved (twice) 1996 Pontiac Bonneville Last updated: 06/11/07 2000 Chevrolet Corvette Last updated: 08/31/04 |
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some amps have a phase switch. Switching the RCA leads on the amp would do the same and is likely easier to get to than the speaker terminals.
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PwrRngr
Joined: Jul 19 2007 Posts: 2281 2003 Ford Mustang Last updated: 11/15/08 |
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That won't change the phase. It will just switch the left speaker to the right speaker (or front to back). There won't actually be any phase change in the speaker. But like you said, phase switch on the amp would be the easiest if there is one. |
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corvettecrazy
Joined: Dec 17 2003 Posts: 3103 Location: moved (twice) 1996 Pontiac Bonneville Last updated: 06/11/07 2000 Chevrolet Corvette Last updated: 08/31/04 |
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If you switch the the Red and white RCA within one input side (left or right) that should change the phase. My HU can swap the sub phase 0 and 180. If that one has time delay I wouldn't be suprised if it had some sort of phase thing too. |