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damn, i'm gonna miss the politics for a homecoming... o well i have 2 dates

I think that Mccain will falcon punch Palin right off the stage, and replace her with David Letterman for his VP running mate.

: sigh: mccain is just makinf a fool out of himself after the 1st question.. he repeats what obama says -_-

zanson wrote:

: sigh: mccain is just makinf a fool out of himself after the 1st question.. he repeats what obama says -_-

I was thinking the same.

obama said "orgy"

kramer13 wrote:

obama said "orgy"

Haha...

Right now, even issues aside, Obama looks like and speaks like a president... Mccain does not.

On the issues, Mccain keeps pointing out mistruths and problems that are, for all intensive purposes, lies. I'm glad that this debate is letting the candidates speak directly to one another, I'm waiting for one of them to haul off and hit the other one...

It was a nice debate. I do however think "You just don't know" was McCain trying to push the envelope that Obama doesn't have the experience. I however, disagree with that. Obama looked great tonight, and made an excellent argument.

McCain did not look at Obama ONCE throughout how the whole debate, which I think shows a sense of intimidation and nervousness. Also, McCain didn't say anything related to about being president, as where Obama mentioned "What I will do when I'm president"

As Jordan said above, Obama hit McCain several times on some lies.

I can see the poles changing a decent bit after tonight, and I would say Obama just won over a lot of people, especially the independents. On CNN, they showed a graph of a select(random) audience, and everytime Obama would speak, the lines would take off.

In fact, Obama almost maxed the charts, where as McCain almost bottomed them out at one point.

Obama:1
McCain:0

I only watched about 10 minutes of it, and like someone said, Obama spoke and acted like a true President. McCain just seemed to copy/paste what Obama said and either would agree or disagree in a very sloppy fashion... Not to mention he looked like he was about to fall asleep right there on stage... Obama seems more of a people's man, and wants to help the economic crisis and wants to prevent a disaster, so I think he won this debate in my eyes...

I think that it's so important right now to have a president that actually looks and presents himself like a true president.....

The whole world judges us based on our president's actions.... and when you have a idiot.... well... that says something about the people that elect him....

mx107marlin wrote:

I think that it's so important right now to have a president that actually looks and presents himself like a true president.....

I KNOW!!! IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LOOK LIKE A PRESIDENT! YOU CAN HAVE THE WORSE POLICIES IN THE WORLD THAT WILL SPIKE TAXES AND MAKE RICH PEOPLE AND BUSINESS OWNERS WORK HARDER AND LAY OFF EMPLOYEES SO POOR PEOPLE CAN HAVE HEALTHCARE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS LOOKING AND SPEAKING LIKE A PRES!!!!





My dad is a business owner, and if Obama is pres. His plan for free healthcare is making employers pay an additional $12,000 per employee for heathcare. We won't have any employee! That's a GREAT plan the the economy and unemployment!!!

Most reviews I heard after the debate, called it a draw. I saw it as the same, but I personally don't care for Obama so nothing changed IMPOV. I just don't understand Obama's plan to reduce taxes, while improving health care and making bigger government.

ShadowBOX wrote:

Most reviews I heard after the debate, called it a draw. I saw it as the same, but I personally don't care for Obama so nothing changed IMPOV. I just don't understand Obama's plan to reduce taxes, while improving health care and making bigger government.

Makes you wish everyone had common sense, huh?

Ryan88 wrote:

I KNOW!!! IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LOOK LIKE A PRESIDENT! YOU CAN HAVE THE WORSE POLICIES IN THE WORLD THAT WILL SPIKE TAXES AND MAKE RICH PEOPLE AND BUSINESS OWNERS WORK HARDER AND LAY OFF EMPLOYEES SO POOR PEOPLE CAN HAVE HEALTHCARE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS LOOKING AND SPEAKING LIKE A PRES!!!!

You're an idiot.... wasn't meant like that... after having a bafoon like G.W. Bush in office, no wonder all the other countries hate us... Bush can't speak, can't think, and most of all can't act like a president should.... that's caused us a lot of problems in the social atmosphere abroad.

Not everything is about domestic policies. While they're important, they aren't everything.

As a matter of fact... yes, I'd rather pay a higher percentage of taxes to guarantee healthcare to everyone rather than just say "Oh **** it" and let the poor die off...

As for common sense... yes, it's common sense to repeal the tax cuts for the rich that were NEVER ASKED FOR, and allow them to cover some of the middle class... he's banking on the increase of funds from taxing the rich to fund the programs for the middle class tax cuts and healthcare.

So since you have a better plan for healthcare, I'll let you deal with my 2 year old with no health insurance... who is currently sick. I'm in school, my health insurance (the only thing available through the school) doesn't extend down to him... His mother, she's getting by on her part-time job... (no full time jobs available except in factories, and the difference doesn't pay for the daycare/babysitting cost) Said part-time job doesn't include/offer insurance (most don't)...

What is your al-mighty plan for that one?

So I tell you what... next time you open your mouth to express an idea on why you don't want to have "Socialized" healthcare, LIKE EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION... you think about that decision from the less fortunate's eyes.

I think Obama looked great tonight... he had great policies, and his flaws were few and far between... This is the most important election of our time, and if we **** this up, we'll be dealing with the consequences for a long long time.

Let's see if America can learn from it's mistakes.

mx107marlin wrote:

As a matter of fact... yes, I'd rather pay a higher percentage of taxes to guarantee healthcare to everyone rather than just say "Oh **** it" and let the poor die off...

Survival of the fittest...

mx107marlin wrote:

As for common sense... yes, it's common sense to repeal the tax cuts for the rich that were NEVER ASKED FOR, and allow them to cover some of the middle class... he's banking on the increase of funds from taxing the rich to fund the programs for the middle class tax cuts and healthcare.

Hmm... Isn't it the rich that gets the economy moving? Doesn't everyone work for those HORIBLE RICH people that's paying you! Tax the **** out of them, You'll be out of a job. As I can assure you my dads employee's will be out of jobs if we have to pay an additional $12,000 per employee.

mx107marlin wrote:

So I tell you what... next time you open your mouth to express an idea on why you don't want to have "Socialized" healthcare, LIKE EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION... you think about that decision from the less fortunate's eyes.

Here's an idea, how about YOU move to an INDUSTRIALIZED NATION?!?! That would be better than turning this country into a big government, high tax, country...

mx107marlin wrote:

I think Obama looked great tonight... he had great policies, and his flaws were few and far between... This is the most important election of our time, and if we **** this up, we'll be dealing with the consequences for a long long time. Let's see if America can learn from it's mistakes.

I totaly agree, **** will get worse if Obama gets in...


Again,

Ryan88 wrote:

Survival of the fittest...

Yep... you mean richest right? What about the youth... let's just kick them in the mouth while we're at it?... What's your suggestion for somebody like me, that's trying to move up in the world, get an education and get on the right track.... if it's "Survival of the fittest" then I should just fall through the cracks then no?

Ryan88 wrote:

Hmm... Isn't it the rich that gets the economy moving? Doesn't everyone work for those HORIBLE RICH people that's paying you! Tax the **** out of them, You'll be out of a job. As I can assure you my dads employee's will be out of jobs if we have to pay an additional $12,000 per employee.

We're not talking about taxing the **** out of them, we're talking about repealing the tax cuts that were already put in place... just reclaiming the gift that our current monkey gave the rich.

Ryan88 wrote:

Here's an idea, how about YOU move to an INDUSTRIALIZED NATION?!?! That would be better than turning this country into a big government, high tax, country...

You know what, if we get more of the treatment that we're getting now... I may just have to do that.... There isn't a richer country that doesn't take care of it's people's needs in the way of healthcare anywhere in the world.

Ryan88 wrote:

I totaly agree, **** will get worse if Obama gets in...

Let's hope you're in the minority...

mx107marlin wrote:

We're not talking about taxing the **** out of them, we're talking about repealing the tax cuts that were already put in place... just reclaiming the gift that our current monkey gave the rich.

It already cost billions giving illegal imigrants free healthcare. Give free healthcare to the whole nation, cutting tax cuts won't be enough...

mx107marlin wrote:

You know what, if we get more of the treatment that we're getting now... I may just have to do that.... There isn't a richer country that doesn't take care of it's people's needs in the way of healthcare anywhere in the world.

Why is it the Governments job to take care of the people?

Maybe you should move to a country with big government. You will fit in with everyone else that wants stuff handed to them!

mx107marlin wrote:

Let's hope you're in the minority...

I am. I'm white....

Ryan88 wrote:

It already cost billions giving illegal imigrants free healthcare. Give free healthcare to the whole nation, cutting tax cuts won't be enough...

Actually, giving free health care to the people that don't have it already "Uninsured or Underinsured" would only cost around $100 Billion per year.(1)

On the other hand, the Bush Tax cuts cost nearly $400 Billion per year(2)

Ryan88 wrote:

Why is it the Governments job to take care of the people?

Let us not forget that it was us, the people that created the government to satisfy our needs as a people, not the other way around...

Ryan88 wrote:

Maybe you should move to a country with big government.

Haha, as if our government is small.... everyday we lose more and more rights, I'd say our government is pretty transparent alright so yeah, I'm already here...

Ryan88 wrote:

You will fit in with everyone else that wants stuff handed to them!

I wouldn't say it's an issue of having things handed to people, I think it's just a right, just like it is laid out in our constitution, you know "The right to life." What if I lose my life because I can't afford health care? Is that a violation of my right to life?

Just so you don't mistake it, I'm not a bum, I'm not trying to mooch off society, and as a matter of fact, I'm not in the minority, as about 80% of the uninsured are people who have jobs, work for a living, etc...(1)

Aerospace Medical Association wrote:

At its root, the lack of health care for all in America is fundamentally a moral issue. The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not have some form of universal health care (defined as a basic guarantee of health care to all of its citizens). While other countries have declared health care to be a basic right, the United States treats health care as a privilege, only available to those who can afford it. In this sense, health care in America is treated as an economic good like a TV or VCR, not as a social or public good. The most visible victims of America’s decision to treat health care as a privilege are the 45 million Americans who lack insurance. In contrast to prevailing stereotypes, 80% of the uninsured are hardworking Americans who are employed or come from working families. However, they are unable to obtain insurance through their work either because their employer does not offer it, their employer does offer it but the employer share of the premium is too expensive, or they are not eligible for health insurance (e.g. they are part-time or have not worked long enough at the job).

For the record, I'll bet that a dead/sick workforce is just as useful to your dad as one that he can't pay.

Ryan88 wrote:

I am. I'm white....

As am I.... I don't see the difference anyways...


Sources
1.)http://www.amsa.org/uhc/CaseForUHC.pdf
2.)http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2004/0919useconomics_gale.aspx

I'd rather see some laws passed to regulate the increase in medical costs instead of having me pay for other people's health care. I take care of me, and thats the way I prefer it. I'm for small government. Our government can't function efficiently as it is, so why make it bigger?

No offense to you, mx, but I'm skeptical of those dollar amounts.

Shadow, those numbers are correct. Both numbers were mentioned last night by both candidates.

mccain blinked alot thought id throw that out there i think me and a buddie counted 57 times in a 2 min responce

Heres my input;

It was McCain's first One on One debate, and for that, I don't think he did too bad.

I'm glad he pointed out he has the experience, and met with foreign leaders and the like.

What really **** me off is that Obama could interrupt whenever he damn well pleased, yet McCain wasn't allowed to.

I think as well it was a draw. McCain had some good points for his first personal debate and I think we will see him actually improve for the next one.

Keep in mind, the media LOVES nObama. He has had these one on one debates with Clinton for months now, so he has that "experience" over McCain. McCain never really had to go up against anyone alone, he was always in large packs.

Now if Ron Paul was up there, he would kick nObama's ass. He saw this whole economic failure coming where Obama just contributed to it as his friends sit on the board for Freddie/Fannie.

Chris wrote:

Now if Ron Paul was up there, he would kick nObama's ass. He saw this whole economic failure coming where Obama just contributed to it as his friends sit on the board for Freddie/Fannie.

Word

ShadowBOX wrote:

I'd rather see some laws passed to regulate the increase in medical costs instead of having me pay for other people's health care. I take care of me, and thats the way I prefer it.

I would actually agree with you there.... whether it was the government paying some or me just not having to pay as much, that's fine with me. As long as it lowers my costs.

I broke my femur and collarbone in 2004, was life-flighted, hospitalized for a little over 2 weeks, and had metal implants in my leg. Total bill was almost $160K. I don't know what I would've done without insurance back then... That's more expensive than 4 years of out-of-state tuition at the school I'm currently at.... that's insane to me.

I find that he wants to change healthcare so that "everyone" can have it, especially the poor. The poor have the best health insurance in the world. They don't pay a dime for it and everything is free to them. Its called Medicaid. It is abused horribly and if they want to cut back on spending, they should monitor the type of claims they pay out, then quit paying for that persons medicaid when they have the same BS over and over again. But that presents a problem, they come to the hospital with no ins, and don't pay anything, and just run up a bill that they will never pay off and don't even care.

mx107marlin wrote:

Actually, giving free health care to the people that don't have it already "Uninsured or Underinsured" would only cost around $100 Billion per year.(1) On the other hand, the Bush Tax cuts cost nearly $400 Billion per year(2)

Just an FYI. Obama wants to increase the Bush Tax cuts from $600 to $1,000. That would drive the cost from $400 billion to ~$550 billion. That's in addition to the extra $100 billion for healthcare. Conclusion, you're going to pay much more under Obama's plans b/c you're going to pay for both of them.

/threadjack

On topic, I see the whole debate as more or less of a draw. I don't see that either of the two candidates excelled over the other. Some of it was interesting while other parts was like watching little kids bicker back and forth.

Losing quickly wrote:

I find that he wants to change healthcare so that "everyone" can have it, especially the poor. The poor have the best health insurance in the world. They don't pay a dime for it and everything is free to them. Its called Medicaid. It is abused horribly and if they want to cut back on spending, they should monitor the type of claims they pay out, then quit paying for that persons medicaid when they have the same BS over and over again. But that presents a problem, they come to the hospital with no ins, and don't pay anything, and just run up a bill that they will never pay off and don't even care.

Sounds like you work in an ER. My wife does and she said she can't believe the things that people come in for (bee stings, bloody nose, cough, etc). Its insane that they never have to pay a dime for the service. I would never go to the ER unless I had an actual emergency, because with my insurance I have to pay. Seems backwards that I pay more.

ShadowBOX wrote:

Losing quickly wrote: I find that he wants to change healthcare so that "everyone" can have it, especially the poor. The poor have the best health insurance in the world. They don't pay a dime for it and everything is free to them. Its called Medicaid. It is abused horribly and if they want to cut back on spending, they should monitor the type of claims they pay out, then quit paying for that persons medicaid when they have the same BS over and over again. But that presents a problem, they come to the hospital with no ins, and don't pay anything, and just run up a bill that they will never pay off and don't even care. Sounds like you work in an ER. My wife does and she said she can't believe the things that people come in for (bee stings, bloody nose, cough, etc). Its insane that they never have to pay a dime for the service. I would never go to the ER unless I had an actual emergency, because with my insurance I have to pay. Seems backwards that I pay more.

Ditto. My mom works at a surgeons office, so I usually hear about the people on medicaid abusing the services they offer.

They get people in with bug bites, small cuts that a band-aid could fix or a stubbed toe. The way some of them go in the office and think they are hot **** really **** me off.

I say; make these people DO SOMETHING to get medicaid OR ANY form of welfare.

Lets take a look at something recent in my city's news;

One night, this time, last year, a girl was being harassed by NUMEROUS girls, I am talking about a hundred or so other girls. This girls (who was being harassed) mom stepped in and tried to calm everyone down, just for the mom to be beaten til death. Now this was in the scum of the city, where these people go by the "no snitch" rule. SCREW that, take these peoples welfare away.

Another night, last week, again in a bad part of the city, a 15 year old was shot and killed...for a necklace. Take these peoples welfare away as they are doing no good with it.

Just the other night an 8 year old got shot in a drive by.

Luckily, I live far away from the city...in the country air, but still...thats only an hour away.

Lastly, I work outdoors for a living right now. I go to the city constantly for my job. It is so ridiculously UNFAIR that I have to go out and work my ass off to meet my bills while I am at school. When in the city, these people clearly eat very well (which will lead to another story in a minute) and just SIT on their porch DOING NOTHING. Take that away from them, make them WORK IN RETURN FOR WELFARE!

Now the other story; We went to this magazine shop (largest one in my area), and they accept those food stamp / welfare card things. This lady gets in front of me and my father with 5 foot long subs (at $6 each) and 2 bags of chips. Thats almost $40 worth of food for this lady. The cashier runs her card, it doesn't work. She flips out "I just used that yesterday for the same thing!!" and the manager comes over and talks to her ever so nicely even though she was giving attitude to the cashier. He enters her card numbers and leaves.

Moral of the post; MAKE PEOPLE WORK FOR WELFARE. Don't let them sit and have us pay for them. The working people deserve more in return than those who do nothing.

Some working people have to take drug test inorder to work and get their money. I think everyone on welfare and medicade should be required random drug test. If their on drugs, they don't get their money.

That would get some poeple off welfare/medicaid.

Aye, I do work in an ER. People come in on ambulance for a headache all the time. It just needs to be monitored and yanked when abused like it is. Random drug tests sounds good to me too. I work my ass off and these people get more money and better insurance than me (sit around with no job). Something is wrong.

Colbert '08

My biggest thing:

The whole "bail" out plan should not happen. I believe the plan should read as though the companies would be split amongst other coperations that are stable and such accounts/assets will be divided. Those willing to take such risks and taking over "X" amount of accounts gets economic relief for business expenses/taxes for X years for X accounts. Do not bail out a company that failed. You don't see students looking for handouts when they fail a course?


Also, wih the HIGH influx of illegals in the US I believe all taxes should be placed upon purchases not on the taxation of our income. We work for X an hour we should be paid for such.

Healthcare should be made affordable but not to the point in which it is free. Those of us that are willing to work should not have to suffer for that of others. The system of old, of having state level jobs to populate opprotunity and a system of better is what is needed.

A system of "helping" is to fail, but a system to provide opportunity is a chance to prosper.

Create jobs within each state to help each state's economy. Pay minimum wage but increase the area's well being for those willing to work such jobs will be offered the same level of healthcare at a discount.

I also believe that people are taking advantage of situations such as the EBT system (food stamps) and the idea of divorce for child support.
^^ These should be strict and followed up on ALWAYS. People still sell their EBT cards... and wives as well as husbands are going to take advantage of child support. Yes some need it but not all.

I really think we should look inwards for or errors of now and find a resolution that would better our environment around us as a whole.

Now more than ever drugs have become rampant, children dying in wrecks r from overdoses, parents not doing their job of parenting and teaching their children. We blame society for our own problems when our problems lay within our own boundaries our own walls of life.

I am talking from a stand point of going from skimming by all my life, moving all through my childhood. Yet, my father and mother made sure I had an opportunity for an education, a roof, and food in my belly. Maybe at Christmas I didn't get the "hottest" item or newest thing. I was raised with a family that enjoy the company of each other.

Skimming by and living on my own since I was 17.. paying all of my bills and making ends-meet. I have considered myself the TRUE middle class, the class that just gets by and doesn't over extend one's self...

I have had the ups and downs of actually seeing the highs and lows of life has to offer. I get established only to LITERALLY having it swept out from under my feet placing me on my back.

The biggest thing to ask yourself as you respond to any political situation... is to ask yourself, how were you raised? Were you raised with that silver lining as that of many now or have you learned to honesty accept things for that of which they are?

^^ wrote that in a hurry don't correct me on grammar ;) I know I made mistakes to lazy to fix...

I find it hilarious that you all are continually debating healthcare, tax cuts, and the economy when it comes to the election of a President. Congress has a much, much, much larger impact on these issues than any President ever will, yet rarely do we see discussions as heated as this over the election of a Senator or Representative. The President is here to lead the military... leave the politicing to the politicians in Congress.

thesull wrote:

Also, wih the HIGH influx of illegals in the US I believe all taxes should be placed upon purchases not on the taxation of our income. We work for X an hour we should be paid for such.

One of the primaries candidates proposed this. It's called the fair tax.

You can gamble in Las Vegas, and the Government won't be there to bail you out of you lose....

Ryan88 wrote:

You can gamble in Las Vegas, and the Government won't be there to bail you out of you lose....

Bingo.