Shotguns

I am in the market for a shotgun.

I have narrowed it down to two.
Mossberg500
and
Remington 870

This is not for hunting, this is will be modified to fit a more tactical platform(colapseable stock,tac light and shorter barrel).

I figure I can spend around $500

I have been doing some research but not sure which is better and why, so any info would be awesome. thanks.

Remington 870

blazeredsxt wrote:

Remington 870

Why?

I'll take a pic of my buddys shotty . Its a mossberg. He modded it. I'll take pics of it later. If he doesnt have to work..and hes awake.. Its a awesome gun..get that..

870.

Having worked at Remington and tried to blow one up...

I would say get the one that fits your body and grip the best. There's nothing worse than buying a shotgun that doesn't fit yourself.

I picked up a Mossberg 500 Tactical just like this for about $375 out the door.



I used one just like it in Iraq minus the buttstock. Definitely a good addition to a home defense ****.

I dunno if you can go wrong with either honestly.

I know you said you were set on Mossburg or Remington but have you considered Benelli?

corvettecrazy wrote:

870. Having worked at Remington and tried to blow one up...

You can't leave us hanging like that.....details detail

I second the 870 for it's ease of operation. It was the first shotgun I've ever used.

Radioflyer wrote:

You can't leave us hanging like that.....details detail

I can say the steel they use for their bbls can chamber (and fire) a 60,000psi round and still be within heading and chamber tolerances.

12ga pressures for commercial rounds are less than 15,000psi.

Remington reliable, mossberg affordable and semi reliable.

Coming from someone that hunted for years and used both.

I have owned 3 870s and 2 mossbergs... and a sweet 16 ;)

Personal defense? load your own sots and replace it with rock salt.. ;)

Either is fine. I've used both.

The biggest difference between the two is the location and operation of the safety. On the Remington, it's a button on the right rear of the trigger guard. You push it in with your right index finger to take it off ----- IF you're right handed, it's pretty easy.

On the Mossberg, it's a slide switch at the top rear of the receiver. You push it forward with your thumb - either hand. Convenient if you're left-handed. INconvenient if it's got a pistol grip buttstock. Not TOO bad with just a pistol grip and no buttstock - for the first round fired, anyway.

There are more accessories made for the Remington.

I'm going to suggest the Mossberg 590. It's a bit sturdier, and has some AWESOME ghost ring sights that even Stevie Wonder could see......

Ignore the above rock salt suggestion (if you're not justified in KILLING someone, you're not justified in shooting at them AT ALL) and stick with 00 buckshot, or #4 buckshot if you know it'll ONLY be used indoors, at living-room distances. Maybe keep a slug or two handy in a sidesaddle carrier.

Rule of thumb for shotguns with 18" barrels is one inch of pattern spread per yard of distance. Indoors, it's NOT a "room broom". Might as well be a rifle, accuracy-wise. 00 buck WILL go through interior walls (sheetrock). #4 buck MIGHT, but it's not as likely. Slugs will go clean through the assailant AND THEN through the next 4-5 interior walls. Choose wisely.

Best bet for a tactical light is a Surefire forearm with built-in light. That way, there's no annoying curly-cue light cord to get in the way.

Collapsible stocks for shotguns are crap.

Thanks Mccook.
I will do some research on the 590's. What are ghost sights?

The rock salt thing has been used for years. If you can live with killing someone do as you wish... I just know if they get hit with rock salt they will be going to the hospital and soon... Plus it will scar them like crazy and be a constant reminder...

A lot of times people need a wake up call... Good people turn bad because of circumstance and situation... We have to take the high road even in the darkest of times.

A lot of times with buck shot people are hesitant to pull the trigger because they are not ready to kill someone... if loaded with rock salt you won't hesitate as much.

I grew up with guns, I hunted since I was 4 or 5... You have to respect all guns even unloaded guns. Unloaded guns kill the most people.

thesull wrote:

We have to take the high road even in the darkest of times.

sounds like something out of a movie

I plan on keeping this weapon next to my bed, taking it camping and to do laundry.
If some dude breaks into my house (hopefully no one will) I will shoot him. If I shoot him with rock salt more than likely it will **** him off and he will want to come back.

After seeing my friend get paralyzed from a gunshot wound, I do not want to put anyone in that same situation...but if someone comes to take what's mine I assume he doesn't have much to live for anyway.

Kwonrae wrote:

Thanks Mccook. I will do some research on the 590's. What are ghost sights?

Ghost ring sights consist of a front blade sight (like you find on handguns and rifles with iron sights) and a LARGE rear aperture sight (basically a big circle you look through).

They're fast and reasonably accurate because you're naturally going to try and center the front sight in the circle.

They're called "ghost" sights because you tend not to even notice that the rear aperture is THERE -- while you're looking through it.

I bought that Mossberg 500 for $230 at duhnhams, but mine came with a heat shield on it. I bought a pistol grip for it for $20. So I got a pistol grip shotgun for under $290. I shot 50 rounds threw it and my hand was messed up for like 3 week.

I have a remington 1100 for trap. I only got the 500 because I always wanted a pistol grip shotgun.

[quote="Ryan88"]

I shot 50 rounds threw it and my hand was messed up for like 3 week.

quote]

You threw it?

thesull wrote:

The rock salt thing has been used for years. If you can live with killing someone do as you wish... I just know if they get hit with rock salt they will be going to the hospital and soon... Plus it will scar them like crazy and be a constant reminder... A lot of times people need a wake up call... Good people turn bad because of circumstance and situation... We have to take the high road even in the darkest of times. A lot of times with buck shot people are hesitant to pull the trigger because they are not ready to kill someone... if loaded with rock salt you won't hesitate as much. I grew up with guns, I hunted since I was 4 or 5... You have to respect all guns even unloaded guns. Unloaded guns kill the most people.

*sigh*

Every human being has a natural right to life, liberty, and justly acquired property.

.....unless and until they attempt to infringe upon those same rights of others, at which point they forfeit those rights in a very specific and proportional manner.

(because, when you have a right to something, you also have the right to PROTECT it)

Therefore, when someone attempts to, or even THREATENS to take your LIFE, they forfeit their own right to life. For the duration of the attempt/threat, their life belongs to you. You may take it if you wish, and the fault remains theirs as long as it was they who initiated the aggression, and as long as you did not contribute to it.

I get what you're saying about the moral high ground, believe me. There have been literally dozens of people whom I would have been completely justified in killing, yet I did not.

But the rock salt is not the answer. While you might INTEND it to be nonlethal, it still may be lethal. Your heart, lungs and liver don't much care whether it's a .33 diameter lead ball or an irregularly shaped chunk of salt that's perforating them.

If you are justified in shooting, you are justified in killing. If you are not justified in killing, you are not justified in shooting at all.

You do not shoot to wound.

You do not shoot to kill, either. You shoot to LIVE.

You shoot to STOP the attack.

Whether they live or die afterwards is in the hands of God, and the doctors who play him on TV. The fault remains that of the aggressor.

Ironically, I've found that the one thing that prevents HAVING to kill is the perception on the opponent's part that you are perfectly willing and able to kill them. Loud, clear and firm verbal commands, coupled with unmistakable target acquisition, tend to assist in accurizing their perception. The occasional impolite adjective seems to help, too.....

[quote="Kwonrae"]

Ryan88 wrote:

I shot 50 rounds threw it and my hand was messed up for like 3 week. quote] You threw it?

You're probably too young to remember The Lone Ranger.................

mccook8 wrote:

thesull wrote: The rock salt thing has been used for years. If you can live with killing someone do as you wish... I just know if they get hit with rock salt they will be going to the hospital and soon... Plus it will scar them like crazy and be a constant reminder... A lot of times people need a wake up call... Good people turn bad because of circumstance and situation... We have to take the high road even in the darkest of times. A lot of times with buck shot people are hesitant to pull the trigger because they are not ready to kill someone... if loaded with rock salt you won't hesitate as much. I grew up with guns, I hunted since I was 4 or 5... You have to respect all guns even unloaded guns. Unloaded guns kill the most people. *sigh* Every human being has a natural right to life, liberty, and justly acquired property. .....unless and until they attempt to infringe upon those same rights of others, at which point they forfeit those rights in a very specific and proportional manner. (because, when you have a right to something, you also have the right to PROTECT it) Therefore, when someone attempts to, or even THREATENS to take your LIFE, they forfeit their own right to life. For the duration of the attempt/threat, their life belongs to you. You may take it if you wish, and the fault remains theirs as long as it was they who initiated the aggression, and as long as you did not contribute to it. I get what you're saying about the moral high ground, believe me. There have been literally dozens of people whom I would have been completely justified in killing, yet I did not. But the rock salt is not the answer. While you might INTEND it to be nonlethal, it still may be lethal. Your heart, lungs and liver don't much care whether it's a .33 diameter lead ball or an irregularly shaped chunk of salt that's perforating them. If you are justified in shooting, you are justified in killing. If you are not justified in killing, you are not justified in shooting at all. You do not shoot to wound. You do not shoot to kill, either. You shoot to LIVE. You shoot to STOP the attack. Whether they live or die afterwards is in the hands of God, and the doctors who play him on TV. The fault remains that of the aggressor. Ironically, I've found that the one thing that prevents HAVING to kill is the perception on the opponent's part that you are perfectly willing and able to kill them. Loud, clear and firm verbal commands, coupled with unmistakable target acquisition, tend to assist in accurizing their perception. The occasional impolite adjective seems to help, too.....

This is the most incredible post I've ever seen.

And I know not a thing about the lone ranger.

remmington, plain and simple, they make a good product

[quote="Kwonrae"]

Ryan88 wrote:

I shot 50 rounds threw it and my hand was messed up for like 3 week. quote] You threw it?

alright guy, through

My uncle gave me $300 when I graduated high school and said "don't put this in your gas tank." Then he called me a week later and told me about a sale on the Remington 870 Magnum that I wanted. It was like $299 at the store.

My friend brought a Mossberg shotgun camping and we shot probably 200 shells through both my 870 and the Mossberg (don't know the model but it was a marine finish). His the shell carrier broke about half way through (so every time you pumped the slide your fresh shell would fall out of the bottom of the gun)...and the extractor would not pull the spent shells out of the breech using this really cheap lead shot that we bought. I don't know if I would blame the extractor though since I've seen really nice guns not fire crap ammo. Although, I was firing the same junk lead shot through my 870 and never had this problem.

I do not care for the bead sight on my 870. I did once shoot a tree branch off of a large tree at about 25 yards with a 1.25oz a powershok slug.

I vote Remington, but the Mossberg, 870, and also a Winchester 1300 would all be nice guns.

The good thing about a shotgun is the the deterrent effect of pumping a shotgun in a dark house...probably be enough for some bad guys to skip out.

78_towncar_460 wrote:

The good thing about a shotgun is the the deterrent effect of pumping a shotgun in a dark house...probably be enough for some bad guys to skip out.

My thoughts exactly. Or if someone I don't know knocks on my door, they look suspicious(not white) I can **** the gun then answer the door.


Oh You shot 50 rounds through it... as opposed to you shot 50 rounds, threw it.

mccook8 wrote:

*sigh* Every human being has a natural right to life, liberty, and justly acquired property. .....unless and until they attempt to infringe upon those same rights of others, at which point they forfeit those rights in a very specific and proportional manner. (because, when you have a right to something, you also have the right to PROTECT it) Therefore, when someone attempts to, or even THREATENS to take your LIFE, they forfeit their own right to life. For the duration of the attempt/threat, their life belongs to you. You may take it if you wish, and the fault remains theirs as long as it was they who initiated the aggression, and as long as you did not contribute to it. I get what you're saying about the moral high ground, believe me. There have been literally dozens of people whom I would have been completely justified in killing, yet I did not. But the rock salt is not the answer. While you might INTEND it to be nonlethal, it still may be lethal. Your heart, lungs and liver don't much care whether it's a .33 diameter lead ball or an irregularly shaped chunk of salt that's perforating them. If you are justified in shooting, you are justified in killing. If you are not justified in killing, you are not justified in shooting at all. You do not shoot to wound. You do not shoot to kill, either. You shoot to LIVE. You shoot to STOP the attack. Whether they live or die afterwards is in the hands of God, and the doctors who play him on TV. The fault remains that of the aggressor. Ironically, I've found that the one thing that prevents HAVING to kill is the perception on the opponent's part that you are perfectly willing and able to kill them. Loud, clear and firm verbal commands, coupled with unmistakable target acquisition, tend to assist in accurizing their perception. The occasional impolite adjective seems to help, too.....

What I put in bold is the attitude more people need to have. I see so many "tough ****" on the internet saying "shoot people" over everything. It makes it seem like the solution to theft is shooting the theif. If everyone had the attitude mccook has, people would only shoot as a last resort (which is how it should be).

I have guns and shot them for as long as I can remember. If someone breaks into my house, I'm not going to be looking to run out and stop them by shooting them, I'm going to be looking for a way out. Materials are replacable, lives are not.

PwrRngr wrote:

mccook8 wrote: *sigh* Every human being has a natural right to life, liberty, and justly acquired property. .....unless and until they attempt to infringe upon those same rights of others, at which point they forfeit those rights in a very specific and proportional manner. (because, when you have a right to something, you also have the right to PROTECT it) Therefore, when someone attempts to, or even THREATENS to take your LIFE, they forfeit their own right to life. For the duration of the attempt/threat, their life belongs to you. You may take it if you wish, and the fault remains theirs as long as it was they who initiated the aggression, and as long as you did not contribute to it. I get what you're saying about the moral high ground, believe me. There have been literally dozens of people whom I would have been completely justified in killing, yet I did not. But the rock salt is not the answer. While you might INTEND it to be nonlethal, it still may be lethal. Your heart, lungs and liver don't much care whether it's a .33 diameter lead ball or an irregularly shaped chunk of salt that's perforating them. If you are justified in shooting, you are justified in killing. If you are not justified in killing, you are not justified in shooting at all. You do not shoot to wound. You do not shoot to kill, either. You shoot to LIVE. You shoot to STOP the attack. Whether they live or die afterwards is in the hands of God, and the doctors who play him on TV. The fault remains that of the aggressor. Ironically, I've found that the one thing that prevents HAVING to kill is the perception on the opponent's part that you are perfectly willing and able to kill them. Loud, clear and firm verbal commands, coupled with unmistakable target acquisition, tend to assist in accurizing their perception. The occasional impolite adjective seems to help, too..... What I put in bold is the attitude more people need to have. I see so many "tough ****" on the internet saying "shoot people" over everything. It makes it seem like the solution to theft is shooting the theif. If everyone had the attitude mccook has, people would only shoot as a last resort (which is how it should be). I have guns and shot them for as long as I can remember. If someone breaks into my house, I'm not going to be looking to run out and stop them by shooting them, I'm going to be looking for a way out. Materials are replacable, lives are not.

To each their own. I do agree, shooting someone should be a last resort... but, I will not flee my home to let someone have what they want of mine.

If I had a family to protect I would make sure they are safe before I try to stop a criminal from robbing me.

Kwonrae wrote:

Oh You shot 50 rounds through it... as opposed to you shot 50 rounds, threw it.

I don't understand.

Ryan88 wrote:

I shot 50 rounds threw it and my hand was messed up for like 3 week. .

he meant through it. I thought he said he threw it on the ground.

Jea, shot 50 rounds through it. I need to pay attention to threw and through!

My buddies Mossberg 500...he says if you get a shotgun get this gun you won't be disappointed.





There are two of these holes..one under the handle and here.

I have a Remington

cant go wrong with either though

I bought the Mossberg 500. It came with a heatshield, butt stock and pistol grip for $300. I've shot tons of bird shot through it, and about 10 slugs.

My dad gave me some 00 buckshot. I do keep the gun loaded in between my bed and wall. Birdshot,buckshot x2 and x2 slugs in the tube.
I don't have kids, kids do not come over, only my roomate knows where this gun is and I've schooled him with my "range" knowledge from boot camp.


I did find that foregrip with the light in it very tempting btw. Might invest in the ghost rings,shell carrier and that foregrip. I don't like the pistol grip at all, besides it being easier to conceal and it looks cool.

Thanks everyone for the input, Mccook I am printing off that paragraph and taping it to my front and back door.

this thread is full of win

My family bought a Remington 870. we love it. great simple gun. point shoot reload shoot. of something breaks or jams on it. it literally takes about a minute to dis assemble the gun and find the part you need.

Lacrossefox wrote:

My family bought a Remington 870. we love it. great simple gun. point shoot reload shoot. of something breaks or jams on it. it literally takes about a minute to dis assemble the gun and find the part you need.

Same with the Mossy, I bought it because they had one in stock with the heat shield and pistol grip. We put a bunch of slugs and .223 rounds through an ice chest floating in the pond.

Shotguns are cool and all but I'll take a full auto 90 round clip of good old .22 anyday.



My .22 has a scope and is super accurate well over a football field away.

Just depends what you're using it for.

Yes in a house a 9MM would work but so would a shotty. I have only used a shotgun one time and my shoulder almost got blown off. (Ok a little exaggeration maybe) Needless to say I learned how to hold one after that.

coolbam wrote:

I have only used a shotgun one time and my shoulder almost got blown off..

Were you aiming it backwards?