What is louder

what is louder

Can you spell?

Besides....if you want to know what's louder...just look at the specs...

i looked at the specs, for 12" Alpine 300 rms 1000 peak, VR 400rms 800 peak, specs don't always tell you every thing I had a jenson and a rockford that had the same specs and the rockford was louder. And why if i spell one thing wroung someone must point it out so what i'm not a A speller I don't **** care.

I said Alpine's cuz thats what I have... and they look nicer than kickers.

depends on the amp, crosovers...n everything else to, normally ya cant tell just by specs.

i'd say the alpine i've heard both and alpines seem louder.

I mention the spelling error for two reasons. One, I'm a grammar freak. Two, because it's a completely different word that when people read it they just think you're a moron for not spelling something as easy as 'louder' correctly. I mean, the letter A isn't even right next to any of the letters in the word!

ok but you could be nice and not post it on the forum just pm me

Why do I think Tim edited my message

lol just messin with u

peak power doesnt mean anything necissarily (i so spelled that wrong)

get both of them and see haha:D and i cant spell either so bash on me too

yeah get both of em and see........or not. dont buy both thats just stupid.

88oldscutlass wrote:

yeah get both of em and see........or not. dont buy both thats just stupid.

told ya sumone would "bash" on me only this time it was for stupidity not spelling

Wow, you should really consider what you are "polling" here because it makes no sense whatsoever. The "loudness" of a subwoofer has many other factors BESIDES THE SPECS OF THE SUBWOOFER ITSELF.

It is amazing how many people think buying Alpine or Kicker or JBL or JL or other misc. companies subwoofers and amps because they "think they are louder." I also find it hilarious that sooooo many people think that the bigger the subwoofer, or the more that you have, means your system will be louder or the loudest.

I run ONE SINGLE 12" SUBWOOFER, and put out higher dB's and SOUND louder than people with 4 15"s, and in one such case, a sponsored van running 24 12" subwoofers I can hit higher dB's than it.

Let me run some factors down for you who seemingly have not much of a clue about how to "make" your vehicle loud.

1. Sound deadening. Buy yourself a couple kits and line that damn vehicle down. Putting subs in your trunk? Line the damn thing down(I prefer spray-on liners with a layer of Dynamat Xtreme or similar product on top of it.)

2. SUBWOOFER ENCLOSURE DESIGN. This is almost MORE important than the subwoofer itself, except the cubic air that maxes the potential of the subwoofer taken into consideration. Vented boxes usually will achieve much more "loudness" than any other box design. Sealed boxes are the generic box of our day, as are ported/bandpass boxes that are pushed by retailers because every joe-shmoe can afford one(did someone say Circuit City?). Box design is crucial, and you should have one custom made for your subwoofer! You will always get MORE for your money if you have a box designed specifically for what you are using.

3. Subwoofer and amplifier choice. Jesus this post is getting long. When you run into Circuit City, you are looking at what manufacturers push as their "consumer product" line. MTX is a shining example, as is Jensen, Sony XPlod, JBL, etc. What you find in stores such as CC, is not going to be your best bet. Most car audio shops will also try to lure you into believing whatever product they carry is the best. Bottom line, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!!! The basic low-end crap companies known by most who are at the least bit knowledgable of car audio....Legacy, Pyle, Boss, and several others. If you see a 3000watt amp for under 200 dollars, it is B.S.

If you want what you pay for, search for upper end product that is only carried at certain car audio shops or pick up the latest issue of Car Audio and Electronics and READ on what is new and what works.

My preferred brands that under-rate their products and have superior quality: Memphis, Resonant Engineering, JL Audio(although they don't produce a TRUE SPL subwoofer, but the W7's are nice), Audiobahn(again, has nice subwoofers, but also has consumer product, READ UP ON IT), Earthquake, MMATS, Digital Designs, Orion(has consumer product but also competition SPL stuff), amongst others. Those all produce very nice subwoofers and amplifiers that will go above and beyond any expectations that you had of them.

That's enough for now.

Specs dont mean anything, its all in the box design, proper building of it and quality, + the tuning of the box, placement of the box when its done.

So go with whatever company u want and they will do good if u build everything exillent

specs, are very missleading,
WHY,
becasue there is no requirement to folow an industrie standard,

basicly thats why a 35 dollar sub from prymid can have almost the same exact specs as a 300 dollar mephis sub,,
????
hows that possible. well liek i said, there is no standared on what means exatly what,
rms, could be 30 seconds or some can rate it as 30 min contiunios,
theres no way honestly compare

spl, and db
is supposed to be messured from 1 meter at one watt, but,
there is many varibles left open
liek wich frequency,, soem woffers hit high in one certian frequency,,
so they use that to make it sound better,
or they test it in a 3 meter cube so the sound reflets on its self, and increase at a certian level, then they use that,
,, OR they use it in a custom vented enclouser wich can boost the out put up to 15 dbs, if tuned corectly,,

amps rated in watts,
this is the biggest lie ever,
ever see those 2000 watt boss amps,
LOl,
with a 60 amp or less fuse, LOLOLOl
that is physcily very hard to make that true,
for example my clas D amp, by earthquake pulls 120-130 amps to make roughtly 1800 watts, and class D amps are the most efficent for under 200 hz, so you can see how thats much more realistic than 2000 watts with just 60 amps,
i could go ,
on and on, an on,

but as far as alpine and kicker, both are decent brands,
and for street use, they are decent,



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SPLRanger wrote:

I run ONE SINGLE 12" SUBWOOFER, and put out higher dB's and SOUND louder than people with 4 15"s, and in one such case, a sponsored van running 24 12" subwoofers I can hit higher dB's than it. That's enough for now.

That guy really needs to lose his sponsorship.... or you need to be in the record books...

are you?

its all in the box,

i get questions all the time, why im not louder,
Mine is sealed,
142 is loud for sealed, with only a 100 watt amp, but it is most likely putting out about 800-1600 watts, as i run it under 1/2 ohm and it blows 100 amp fuses,
But I just cant get as loud as a corectly tuned sloted box with the same power, and usally a good sloted box, can be 10 -15 spl higher,
, so why , dont i go sloted,
Sound is subjective and since i dotn compete a lot and i drive almost 20,000 miles a year i want somethign that sounds good to me,
i like sealed it has a tighter bass, and a more natural sound,
so thats why when im not competeing i add my other amps back in anr rewire itwith 5700 rated watts of amps and run evey thing at 4 ohms, on the street that is a good sound to me, and is clear, and very listenable, and fairly easy on the amps, ..
but some people like the sloted encloseres every day,,
Sound is Very Subjective,
so waht ever makes you happy,

SPLRanger wrote:

It is amazing how many people think buying Alpine or Kicker or JBL or JL or other misc. companies subwoofers and amps because they "think they are louder." I also find it hilarious that sooooo many people think that the bigger the subwoofer, or the more that you have, means your system will be louder or the loudest. I run ONE SINGLE 12" SUBWOOFER, and put out higher dB's and SOUND louder than people with 4 15"s, and in one such case, a sponsored van running 24 12" subwoofers I can hit higher dB's than it. That's enough for now.

^^^He also said that he hit over 169db with that one sub...bull f**kin ****. Would never happen. Sorry. By the way, what SPONSORED VAN was this? Why did you never answer my PM regarding your system?

PT, I have a sealed box with 4 12"s and my highest meter was 160.8db. I have a friend with a 2002 custom Yukon Denali with 6 12" RF POWERS in a fiberglass POSTED box and I am just louder than him. Not to slam you, just letting you know that with the right sealed box you CAN slam.

Later all.

ps that is with only a 100 watt amp,
in the 100 watt and under class,
,it is easily 9-10 db louder when i have my 5700watt amp system,
though i dont have reading on that,
every time i compete, i try to swap it all out with the singel amp and do it a week or so before, so i can work out the tuning bugs durring the week, ,,
so i never had a reading with the 5700 system <just street
and i dont compete with it because outlaw class is sick,
as any one can just add more and more amps,
i think there is more skill in getting loud with little
hence 100 watt amp,,,

ps it is proven that ported/ sloted/ vented is louder,
when tuned corectly, maybe your freinds box isnt tuned to well, or as well as it could be,
and there is a 2 diffrent styles of ported, the old school style of just one or 2 circle ports good for 3 db, will not be much louder,

To hit the high spl, you need SLOTs or huge vents,
when done corectly it can be much louder, 10-15 db/spl than the same woffer in a sealed with the same power, in the same space, same car
it has been done many times, it is well proven, , car audiomag does it with almost every woffer they test, ???
your compareing
diffretn woffers, diffrent power, in diffrent cars,
not really fair, to say im wrong, when you have just one secinerio where it appears a sealed box is louder.
of course there are exceptions to every thing, as audio is not an exact scinece,
but in general, what i say is very true,

to hit 160 sealed you must have the perfect or close to the perfect set up, of box set up, power, reflection, , so it sounds like your doing good,
, but your freinds box, just because its fglass, doenst mean its better, , most likley its worse, as fglass flex baddly,, just as my plexie glass flexes, , some times there is a trade off between looks and function,
that seems to be where me and your freidn are at,

ps, how many ratted watts of amps were you using for that 160. ??

Got it. That makes sense. I never read signatures...usually garbage ****. LOL Sorry

Oh I never said that you were wrong, I was just saying that it is absolutely possible to be VERY loud with a sealed box.

I have to be honest...I have no idea what I am RATED at. I do know that my PEAK power is 4060 watts. Crazy highs and mids too not just bass. I have been doing this since the age of 10 or 11, I am now 23 years old. Yes my box is built to exact specs for the subs and my truck's space and built out of MDF so that I get no fex in it. My subs are mounted to fire to the right and left so they get a crazy amount of reflex off of the right and left sides of the cargo area. And like I said, 160.8 was my HIGHEST meter. I am going to SLAM JAM in AUGUST and I really hope that they have a LEGAL db grag so that I can have it metered again. That last meter was about 1.5-2 years ago.

I only have 150 watts...
and I wouldn't say outlaw SPL takes no skill.

i said i think it takes MORE skill to get loud with less.

and it takes a lot less money to compete inthe 100 and under, ,

my reasoning, was a reflection, on money,
prehapse that not fair, there is a lot of skill in the higher classes,

Its pretty easy to find 1 watt amps... But damn are they expensive!!
0-150 is actually one of the most competitive classes. You will see 0-150 scores very close to 601+ scores when the world finals come around. This year USACi tried to prevent that by using amp # limits. We'll see how things go.

1 watt amps??
you might mean 100
or the 1 watt at 1 meter, cause thats not really a 1 watt amp, its just only jucinein out a watt, but can go much higher,
, i used to use a punch 40 back in the day, man, thant was a great amp,
and you could run 1/4 ohms with it,
then i moved to the punch 50 ,
then the punch 75,
now i run only earthquake,
i probaly wotn even compete this year,
im more into the turbo and nitrous and up gradeing the lighitng, this sumer,

Ok, now i may be just asking a stupid question here, but how the hell do you hit 142 with ONE HUNDRED WATTS??!?

Talk about bringing back old ass threads...damn.

Yea...problem is, there aren't enough new threads to keep ppl happy.

im hittin 151.7 with my 3 type r's slot ported to 35Hz...its nice

9sdime9 wrote:

Ok, now i may be just asking a stupid question here, but how the hell do you hit 142 with ONE HUNDRED WATTS??!?

easily!!!

but that 100 watts is probably 100@4 ohms, which means at the impedence he runs the amps at it gives off a lot more.

I only have 300 watts ;) And Ben only has 150watts...

yup and I only have 500 watts

Had to try the sig out AL... pretty nifty