An interesting video about September 11th |
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jethawk
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Its Long But Very Interesting... It was posted on a local message board
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801 |
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itzbjorn
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WOW. *speechless*
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Phil
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Just watched the whole hour and 20 minutes of it. Don't know what to say.
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Knox
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Damn man. I'm with Phil and itzbjorn, I don't know what to think.
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dddx880
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same here
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pontiac4evr_14
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i thought i would watch 10 minutes of it and now it 1 hour and 20 mintes later and my mind is just blowen away. Im usually one that is very suspicious over video's like this but damn this is just way to over welming. You see it every day how this county is going down the tube and and we are working our asses off for **** wages while everything gets more and more exspensive. it just really makes me wonder. it is well put together and they did there home work.
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Ryan88
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****
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Knox
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The only thing I ever personally questioned was how the towers went down just like a controlled demolition and they happened to have that in the video. Everything else they mention just took me by surprise.
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audio_excessories
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Ryan88
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Alright, the flight 93 plane landing in ohio, I think thats a bunch of ****.
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Rags
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damn.
if you havent watched this watch it. it really does leave you speechless. |
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justin
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cliffs notes anyone?
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jethawk
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the cliff notes are watch it.... its well worth your time...
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pontiac4evr_14
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^^^^^^^ For sure.
Idk it would be interesting to see a national un-bias media to look into that Flight 93 landing in ohio. If thats true omg. |
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kramer13
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Very interesting stuff...
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Knox
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Ok, so I got this link from FSC so we have both sides' opinions to look at.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y |
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Goph
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3 hours to DL
I think I need to DL it on my desktop. |
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jethawk
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i got it off torrentspy.... the dvd rip is much better quality then the google version
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chicagosfinest
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This is the third or so video I've seen in the last month on Sept 11th.. I watched the whole 80min this morning instead of studying.. I'm split on what to think about the whole thing. I know there's uncertainity and theres probably 100 lies that are involved. But I'm not sure to what degree I can value some of the claims. It seems to me like alot is focused on one or two specific photos or clips, however I think this video had the most plausable arguement. On the other hand, there's not enough speculation by the public to make a serious case out of it. I hope that someday the gov't actually answers these claims rather then push them aside as they have been. As for gov't involvement in the attacks, I find it highly unlikely because we (as a nation) had little to profit from by attacking our selves.
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justin
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wtf im like 6 minutes in.... who are these ppl that put this together? some college students? the information thus far is insane.
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Glowin97x
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yeah if this is the one i saw before (and i think it is) its got some interesting points but i think a few of them are easily explained away
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Silentdawn
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anybody have a good fast torrent for this? the one i got off of torrentspy is slow..
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MongolPup
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Utterly speechless.
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justin
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the one on google is totally watchable...
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88Shelby
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About 16 minutes in now. About the light poles, I'm sure light poles in Texas and light poles in DC are different. And, about there being no trace of the plane, simply untrue. There are pictures of large sections of the landing gear and turbines scattered around. Also pieces of the skin of the plane. Some of the news photos were decieving in the way of perspective, making what was in fact a say, 4 sq ft piece of aluminum look like maybe only a few inches. Also, almost everyone has seen that video of the military crashing a fighter jet into a wall at 500mph. There was nothing left except small, tiny pieces. And as for the "no scratch on the lawn" thing, the photos shown did not provide a well enough angle to support the statement.
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justin
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theres alot more beyond that... im about an hour in.
nightmarish. makes ya wonder. |
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Tim
Joined: Nov 16 2003 Posts: 8827 Location: Kalamazoo, MI 1998 Pontiac Grand Am Last updated: 03/11/07 |
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Finished it just now. It's very interesting. A lot of that stuff makes sense. Makes me think twice about my government. I can only hope that nothing on that tape is true, or else America isn't what it use to be.
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GlowinPontiac
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damn. i wish i didnt have 56k
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02BlueStang
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it is quite interesting....I just dont see a couple hundred people disappearing from flight 93 like they suggest though.... I would like to see a rubuttle from an independent 3rd party for the facts that were provided....again, very interesting and def makes you think.....Its def not impossible what they suggest but IMO a little far fetched at times
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mccook8
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Oh, COME ON!
How many of you watched the events of 9/11 unfold on LIVE TV? (Or the endless re-runs in the first couple of days afterward?) You could clearly see the planes hitting the WTC. You could clearly see the smoke streaming out of the buildings, long before they collapsed. It was obvious that fires were burning more and more intensely. Do you seriously doubt that jet fuel burns hot enough to weaken (if not MELT) steel? These are the same old conspiracy theorists -- everything is the fault of the Jews ("international bankers") and various sinister-sounding, simple but misunderstood groups such as the Council for Foreign Relations, the Trilateralist Commission and the Bilderbergers. |
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TheBrick
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^ It was said that the temps inside the buildings DIDNT reach the buckeling point. Also other building that had raging infernos inside that DID collapse due to the fire took so much longer to collapse then the WTC did. I believe that portion of it due to the facts i have read else where.
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Tim
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You also saw in the video the flashing lights comming from stories just below the ones that were collapseing, as if they had demo charged placed on them.
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02BlueStang
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yes but keep in mind guys the "demo charges" could have been added afterwords quite easily...
also the temps were not hot enough to completely buckle the steel in the buildings....but it was hot enough to significantly weaken the steel in the building...also the airplanes pierced the elevator shafts causing the fireball to have oxygen (which they claim it did not in the movie) and allowing it to reach the lobby of WTC.....The jet fuel was also only an igniter in the fire....the desks, walls, furniture and paper inside is what fed the fuel and kept it going.....Even they said that another building collapsed from the top floors but remained standing....well the WTC was a bit taller and had more floors collapse from the top which would have had enough momentum to drop the entire buildings....just because it has never happened before doesnt mean that it is entirely impossible for it to happen.... Honestly after doing some research on what they said in the video...most if not all of the things they talked about with their conspiracy can be proven false with factual evidence.... |
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Ryan88
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Fake phone calls from flight 93? LOL OKAY.
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard, "Flight 93 did not crash near Pittsburgh, but, get ready for this, Columbus, Ohio" I hate liberals, the guy was working on his farm when he SAW the plane wreck into the ground. |
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audio_excessories
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wow we need a political category....
We could call it... Mccook Junction: Come with your theories and get shut down with rational thought |
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TheBrick
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I think there is more to it then we are told and its videos like these that make me know im not alone. We are talking about the United States, the ones who will open fire at just about anything and they allowed this to happen. There has to be more then just terrorists hijacked planes and had time to crash them into two massive buildings.
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Rags
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i have a video of the buildings falling myself and the "charges" were there, but i would say its from the internal structure of the building blowing out as the top of the building went straight down on it.
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justinwebb
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i have a fast BT link if ya'll need it very interesting stuff
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88Shelby
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The argument that most people have about the fire not burning hot enough to weaken the steel is mainly that is was all fireproofed. What most people don't know is that the initial impact of both jetliners blasted off most of the fireproofing material, which, during the Towers construction, was applied improperly. This, coupled with the intense heat of burning jet fuel signigicantly weakened the steel, to the point where the MULTIPLE TONS of weight it was supporting brought it down.
Also, about the "Multiple Explosions" when the towers where coming down, what the hell do you think happens when the top floors of a building collapse? The floors below collapse with it, these "explosions" are simply dust and whatnot being forced out the already broken windows by the above collapsing floors coming down. |
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jethawk
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ok think about this... the one building that got hit in the corner.. dont you think the floors above that would have collapsed towards that side and fallen over that way instead of falling straight down on its self.... what happens when you cut a tree on that one side.. it falls towars that side.... even if you cut the tree at the bottom or uptop.... whereever you cut away "that corner" its going to fall that way...
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