add more 12's?

So i have 2 12'' Audio Bahn Subs right and i have a chance to either just keep what i have or add 3 more 12 inch JL Audio 12W6's? Would you think that would sound a lot better or just ruin the whole concept of the sound? also adding Monster Caps and maybe 2 more Amps to go with it thats if my father is actually gonna give them to me

sc3106 wrote:

So i have 2 12'' Audio Bahn Subs right and i have a chance to either just keep what i have or add 3 more 12 inch JL Audio 12W6's? Would you think that would sound a lot better or just ruin the whole concept of the sound? also adding Monster Caps and maybe 2 more Amps to go with it thats if my father is actually gonna give them to me

trash the audiobahns and keep the JL subs.

audiobahn=trash

[quote="twizted_ion"]

sc3106 wrote:

audiobahn=trash

So tell me why i have all audiobahn components, and they sound better than most of the systems ive heard. nor have i ever had a problem with anything. tell me why my audiobahn system is trash?

idk tho because the Audiobahn i have in there right now is like a very awesome system and has been entered in competitions and has came close to winning with only 2 12's but what if adding 3 more TO the 2 so i have 5 12's because i have also seen a guy with 6 different subs winning a competition so if adding this all together i think it would be a bumpin system am i right or what!

So twizted_ion you dont like Audiobahn i presume why not? have you really heard more then once system if any at all?! because you can sure ask the_mastor and he would be sure glad to say that this system is awesome

sc3106 wrote:

So twizted_ion you dont like Audiobahn i presume why not? have you really heard more then once system if any at all?! because you can sure ask the_mastor and he would be sure glad to say that this system is awesome

i had a partial sponsorship from audiobahn about 5 months ago. i dropped them after 2 months. they sent me numerous subs and each sub blew or overheated within a week. they were powered with the right amp and wired properly. when i told them they kept sending me other lines of stuff and to the same outcome. when i asked the guy over the phone what was up, he told me hes always getting and hearing of returns for overheating and bad quality.
Since them ive had audiobahn components, 6.5's and also 1 amp. the components sounded ****, the 6.5's were terrible, and im glad i recently blew them, and there amp that i got from a friend, blew out and overheated after 3 weeks.
Hence why i dont like them. their stuff is pure ****. they are bad quality and sound like ass. ii know many shops that dont use audiobahn because of that and also know many people that disslike them for same reasons i dont.

although this is a matter of opinion, he may have a good experience, but as far as me, i say stick with another brand. And yes i have heard audiobahns before and i had them......wasnt impressed....period.

Well the amps i've only had for about a month. but the recent owner has had them for about 4-5 years and are working great he has had the volume up for a long time as well as i and yet nothing has gone wrong no over heating what so ever and i'm powered by 2 amps.. and how was yours wired off the regular stock wire or custom wire?

i have a 0 gauge power and ground cables and a 4 gauge going from distribution to amps. the remote wire i have a 10 or 12 gauge and speaker wire is 8 gauge. i have used very heavy wires for my system. Amps mathched the power the subs neeeded perfectly

get more displacement not more subs.

yeah what he said... and audiobahn has been OK 2 me but there chrome is fake (cheap/imported) hence the white gloves to fight easy tarnishing. i would take JL i would rather get the W7 or a Type X by alpine

well i dont know i'm sticking with the Audiohbahn for right now cause they are treating me good but i still have those 3 12's waiting for me so if anything goes wrong change will happen before you know it..but there is also a possibility of just combining all the subs and adding the "Monster Caps" and i think 2 more amps if not 3

you should go for a new battery and alternator instead of caps first

I have a battery and stuff already got that covered and everything so the caps i think are going next.

ive had my audiobahn amp for about 2 yrs now and it is still working great. But on the chrome part yeah they get dirty really easy

yeah my chrome part is really messy but i'm sure i can get some stuff to clean that up real nice, but i'm loving my equip. i can have it loud and thumping for a long time with out it getting hott really, i love it:)

never had their subs but i love audiobahns amps

audiobahn is trash... Obviously if you SERIOUSLY think that Audiobahn is top of the line, then you've more than likley never heard a good system. You're probably comparing audiobahn's speakers to people running low end or even stock front speakers and just added subs....wow, amazing comparison! And you're wrong... it probably wasn't a very big or good competition. runing 5 or 6 different types of drivers who have different properties will be pointless... Also, how well a system will preform has nothign to do with how many subs you run or how many max-rated **** 400w amps you bought from a fleamarket. I know someone who did 147dB with a single Alpine type R in a vented box on an AC mic, you're probably hitting under under 140dB. box plays a huge part in the system. but im sure you know that

but if anything, take your audiobahn system back to the fleamarket, build a good box for those 3 JL subs, and buy a good amp for them... and another thing.. adding caps isn't going to do anything but draw more power. if you'veupgraded your battery and alternator (and big 3), then you need to upgrade that some more.

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audiobahn is trash... Obviously if you SERIOUSLY think that Audiobahn is top of the line, then you've more than likley never heard a good system. You're probably comparing audiobahn's speakers to people running low end or even stock front speakers and just added subs....wow, amazing comparison! And you're wrong... it probably wasn't a very big or good competition. runing 5 or 6 different types of drivers who have different properties will be pointless... Also, how well a system will preform has nothign to do with how many subs you run or how many max-rated **** 400w amps you bought from a fleamarket. I know someone who did 147dB with a single Alpine type R in a vented box on an AC mic, you're probably hitting under under 140dB. box plays a huge part in the system. but im sure you know that but if anything, take your audiobahn system back to the fleamarket, build a good box for those 3 JL subs, and buy a good amp for them... and another thing.. adding caps isn't going to do anything but draw more power. if you'veupgraded your battery and alternator (and big 3), then you need to upgrade that some more

I AGREE 100%!!!! Glad somebody else thinks the same as me lol

hey, thats your point aview ok!? you dont have to rag on me for having a Audiobahn system..and you should back up because i'm sitting in my dads theater system that he built by himself that could kick all not if most cars around! ...and i know my stuff i have someone behind me that kicks ass in stereo stuff..so dont be all going off...

I wasn't trying to "rag" on you sorry... just your choice of equipment. theres nothing kickass about audiobahn though.

but on a funny note, i highly doubt daddy's HT system is anywhere near 170-180dB... so no, it doesn't kick most if not all cars around.

Yea but I had some Audiobahns and they didnt sound bad at all! But Im a JL Audio freak..so..lol

My friend has some Audiobahns and he hits 120 db, not no 170 but still slams for a daily driver..

welll you can surely think that "daddy" HT system isnt kickass at all but your all wrong there and you can ask anyone thats been in the room its loud as hell and it could kick ass..i know this is a car site but i'm sure i'm positive it could kick ass because it is a really tight site with more money in that then the whole house no joke!

just for all of you who dont think it is kick ass i will take some snaps of it and show you how much he put into it, and when i said building it all himself.. i mean there is about NOTHING that isnt made from him in there..all wood work coffee table cd rack everything, but i will take some pics for you to show you what i mean

sounds awsome

Okay, I am lazy and didn't read this thread, but I have one thing to say:

Quantity does not mean quality.

haha it sure doesnt...but you sure havent heard this system buddy Quantity has tons of Quality here, k!

i'm not syaing your dad's ht system is bad, i don't know anythign about it. all i know is that i highly doubt your dad's system is louder than most cars it just may seem like it.....

hahaha wellllll i will see what i can do to showww you that its most better than most cars

i wanna see pictures

alright will do i'll take some when i go to his house this weekend alrighty

who me some numbers on the new TL. we're not talking looks here as they ahve nothing to do with a system's output.

yaa..what lol

Darthn3ss wrote:

who me some numbers on the new TL.

ya i know that has nothing to do with it, i just wanna see what kinda setup hes got.

oh so do i.

TL stands for termlab. used in bass compeitions (or just wherever) to measure loudness.


and i just realized that i made a typo up there... that should be SHOW me not who me sorry.

check this

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Cheap, built in China by small 8 year old girls burning their fingers off on substandard soldering equipment, so they can bring home a quarter at the end of the day because mommy promised them a cookie if she did... For one thing, there's no engineering when you are talking about a company like that. It's just "clone the other companies that are like me" - which isn't a good thing when the "other companies like me" are manufacturing products with all the cheap compromises to make them cheap and still profitable to the person building them. ...it's like having someone pull the wool over your eyes - and then another company going "Hey, look at what that guy's doing! What a great idea! I'm going to do that too!" Second of all - when it comes to quality - it's low. They aren't building it WELL and then selling it to you cheap - they wouldn't make any money. They are pure businessmen, who see an opportunity in peddling cheap gear to people that don't know any better. There's an opportunity in that, for sure. And they'll do whatever they can, to make it cheap, to make whatever shortcuts are necessary to still end up with "a speaker" at the end of the day, to maximize their profits, at the bottom-of-the-barrel price point they need to target (if they charged more - they'd begin competing against "real" subs, and would fail ). There's a lot of natural laws of economics - basic, unavoidable, natural dynamics that happen without much possibility of "exception to the rule"... You get what you pay for. - Geolemon

hmmmmmmmm lol well then

Darthn3ss wrote:

I wasn't trying to "rag" on you sorry... just your choice of equipment. theres nothing kickass about audiobahn though. but on a funny note, i highly doubt daddy's HT system is anywhere near 170-180dB... so no, it doesn't kick most if not all cars around.

I think this conversation went way far south from the subject. First of all, the goals of the OP are never trully stated. It seems to me that he isnt going for an SPL victory from his post. "Would you think that would sound a lot better or just ruin the whole concept of the sound?" That sounds more like an SQ or even SQL question to me.

The major dilemma here is not whether someone's dad's HT system blows away a car's or anything of that sort. 5 12"s "mix/matched" or just 2 AB12s (unknown model #s, cant comment on a good comparison thus).

IMO...Your caught in a situation of space/functionality. Basically, if your putting 5 12s in the back of an explorer, they are going to be sealed correct? (The box has no openings etc). You are also going to have to upgrade current electrical needs. I dont know that RMS of what ur current system is...3 W6s will most likely at least involve doing the Big 3 under the hood, wiring 0gauge back (btw...dont get caps, its a bandaid on a problem that needs to be repaired), and you say your throwing in 2 more amps to 2 amps that you already have. Better check what your stock alternator can handle, because Ill assume around that point, your draw will be around its limits, and your going to be suffering from some decent electrical problems.
At the same time, you have 5 12s all sealed. The displacement (already noted) is rather weak. Not to sound like an a-hole, but I could easily give you 1 15 in the proper enclosure (basic taper'd horn) and it would not only sound louder then the 5 12s, it would actually hit louder on a TL, and SQ would be very very nice. However, the low end extension of sealed is uncomparable. If your looking for really really nice SQ, I would insist on staying sealed. If what your seeking is just turning the volume up on your system, you should maybe look into going ported, tuning around 30-35hz, or even going snailshell .

A remark on your current products of choice. Audiobahn for the most part sucks. It's known by audiophiles as the "bling-bling" of car audio due the rediculous chrome baskets/dustcaps/grills/etc. However, AB brings its A-game when it comes to its highend. I have been beaten before by a pair of audiobahns in an SPL show, and the system sounded decent as well. But most of their lines have overrated power ratings, which eventually end up in most blowing up. I played with a pair of FlameQs for awhile and actually melted the voicecoil into the magnet (or w/e the hell they might have between there...crappy crap) with 200 more RMS then rated . JL has been known for awhile as being a really good company, and this is so, but also note, the W6 is basically an SQ sub. The BL curve on it is very weak, the FS is low (good for SQ), yadda yadda...stuff you probably dont understand, but its basically an SQ sub. If your wanting to improve SPL, then the w6 sealed isnt the right idea imo.

Anywho, hopefully this helped. Incase anyone thinks that I'm a random nobody, Im currently sponsored by CDT, Ascendant Audio, & Island Sound. So...like if you actually know those companies...you should actually know something about car audio as well :-)

wow LONG reply anyways ya i thought you need some holes for air in your sub lmao wow anyways i'm pretty sure i'm selling off my audiobahns and getting the three W6's but wtv

Audiobahns aint that damn bad, I had some 12s and they hit, but of course nowhere near the Jl 12w6s I had...